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Old 10-14-2019, 03:23 PM   #1681
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Alberta is not the bottleneck for the pipeline problem. Both the provincial Cons and the provincial NDP pushed projects forward.

Federally, the Conservatives had multiple pipelines completed and operational during their tenure - Line 9 reversal, Keystone phase 1, Alberta Clipper are just ones off the top of my head.

It was only the 2014ish projects like Energy East, TMX and Northern Gateway that is running into these issues, and the Harper government basically said "let the process work because it's worked for decades." Of course we know now that the process is completely broken, but Harper's decision was definitely a reasonable one at the time.

Trudeau is also trying to "let the process work", but with the additional information over the past few years that the process is completely broken, and stalling whenever politically convenient. That's the major difference and where the animosity comes from.
The Alberta government approved countless major projects in the late 1990s and 2000s that any foresight or prudent governance would have said will require more transportation options. But Klein et al green lighted everything, listening to their corporate buddies, and sent everyone $400. You want answers to what ills Alberta now, you will find them in how Klein regime mishandled the riches
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Old 10-14-2019, 03:31 PM   #1682
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While we're at it blaming politicians for not building things that weren't ready until after they were out of office I would like to point the finger squarely at William Lyon Mackenzie King for his failure in establishing a 5G network. Shame on you sir.
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Old 10-14-2019, 10:50 PM   #1683
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The Alberta government approved countless major projects in the late 1990s and 2000s that any foresight or prudent governance would have said will require more transportation options. But Klein et al green lighted everything, listening to their corporate buddies, and sent everyone $400. You want answers to what ills Alberta now, you will find them in how Klein regime mishandled the riches
Mishandled is an interesting term.

The primary difference between Norway and Alberta is that instead of building a sovereign wealth fund Alberta sent money to the rest of Canada. Though I do agree taxes should have been higher and more royalties saved.

Klein and premiers after him also approved projects based on transportation projects at the same planning stages continuing to be developed. I mean we had TMX, NG, Keystone, Clipper, Line 3, Mainline expansion, Energy East etc all at varying stages. At some points operators were mad at the governments for allowing to many pipelines to be built that all producers would be paying to ship air. A prudent government would have been like Mr.Burns counting on the number of unique disasters required to stop his baseball team. Canada was building the biggest pipeline companies in the world. To suggest that at the end of Klein’s term that pipeline access should have been limiting projects is ridiculous.

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Old 10-14-2019, 11:39 PM   #1684
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While we're at it blaming politicians for not building things that weren't ready until after they were out of office I would like to point the finger squarely at William Lyon Mackenzie King for his failure in establishing a 5G network. Shame on you sir.
I was careful to point fingers at the puppet masters pulling the strings of Klein. I mean Ralph was most likely clueless on all this stuff. Perfect leader of the masses when you want to rob them
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Old 10-18-2019, 10:28 PM   #1685
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https://twitter.com/user/status/1185364985100111872

Good on the government for coming around.
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Old 10-19-2019, 10:16 AM   #1686
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Good on the government for coming around.
I agree, but I find it surprising that this even existed - i.e. why they didn't do this decision in the first place. From both the actual issue, but also from a political perspective.
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I agree, but I find it surprising that this even existed - i.e. why they didn't do this decision in the first place. From both the actual issue, but also from a political perspective.
It was a policy introduced by the NDP and needed to be gotten rid of just because of NDP?
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It was a policy introduced by the NDP and needed to be gotten rid of just because of NDP?

Actually I think it was the farmers causing the backlash. It's either a significant investment in their own skills or they will have to pay others to truck their goods now.


*Edit* Farmer backlash against the original policy. Rural voters being the backbone of Conservative support.
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Actually I think it was the farmers causing the backlash. It's either a significant investment in their own skills or they will have to pay others to truck their goods now.


*Edit* Farmer backlash against the original policy. Rural voters being the backbone of Conservative support.


Cost of training isn’t a good excuse to relax things.
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As an old country boy who has spent his share of time in a grain truck;
as long as you are on the farm you can drive whatever you want but the minute you pull on to a public highway you had better be properly qualified to do so.

Farmers should not need special dispensation because they are slow learners
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The other issue is a lot of farmers will in the winter time drive truck commercially to make extra money. So yeah probably not wise to lower the bar on training and requirements ( l know they can put stipulations in but just easier to make it black and white).
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Old 10-22-2019, 08:13 AM   #1692
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starting to get nervous about the budget.
I can only imagine what some of the many cuts will be.

i'm guessing post secondary will take a huge hit, for one.
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Kenny needs to start demanding the same powers as Quebec. Preliminary work on an APP and preliminary work on collecting their own provincial taxes.

Separation is not the answer but putting pressure on the federal government is important.
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starting to get nervous about the budget.
I can only imagine what some of the many cuts will be.

i'm guessing post secondary will take a huge hit, for one.
From media sources, I believe it's a 10% cut, and then possibly up to 25% over three years.

Keep in mind that a lot of the budget will take recommendations from the Mckinnon Report.

Also, it is worth following both the NDP and AP for shadow budgets for comparisons sake. These are probably the most helpful things the opposition parties can do (even though the AP doesn't have any seats this term).
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Old 10-22-2019, 09:41 AM   #1695
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Kenny needs to start demanding the same powers as Quebec. Preliminary work on an APP and preliminary work on collecting their own provincial taxes.

Separation is not the answer but putting pressure on the federal government is important.
Agreed, and I would think the APP would be a reasonably easy first step.
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Old 10-22-2019, 09:59 AM   #1696
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Agreed, and I would think the APP would be a reasonably easy first step.
How does that work? Will we have to wait until the present contract with the RCMP is over? I believe the last one AB signed with the RCMP was for 20 years but I am not overly sure on that.
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I just got this in my email from a colleague.

http://wexitalberta.com/

Looks like some kind of new political party?
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Old 10-22-2019, 10:07 AM   #1698
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I just got this in my email from a colleague.

http://wexitalberta.com/

Looks like some kind of new political party?
On their media page:

"YOUTUBE HAS SHUT US DOWN. This is the reason for migrating to BitChute. Watch our videos here & don't forget to SUBSCRIBE:"

hahaha
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i'm sure the loony tunes are just getting warmed up.

I imagine the guy on the side of the road of hiway 2 by the Okotoks turnoff is hastily changing all his "more Alberta less Ottawa" signs to WEXIT as we speak.
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"Wexit"? Sounds like something Elmer Fudd would come up with. I sure hope they choose a better name.
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