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Old 03-29-2019, 08:35 AM   #101
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What will it tell you if its released and the conclusions Mueller reached are in line with Barrs summary?
It'll tell me that there isn't a good case for conspiracy or obstruction.

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Will you be able to stop attacking Trumps patriotism and acknowledge that he is not a compromised agent of Russia?
This part, however, is a strawman. I don't believe Trump is an agent of Russia, nor do the majority of commentators in the evil "MSM". Trump was their preferred candidate over the hawkish Hillary Clinton, and it's in Russia's best-interests to sow discontent and doubt among the American public for sure. In addition, Trump has his own reasons - business interests, malignant narcissism - for enjoying Russia's good graces.

Trump is easily manipulated by Russia. FFS, he's even easily manipulated by the dummy in the DPRK.

Is Trump a patriot? Do you really believe he is?

Failing a legal test on two narrow questions in the Mueller report does not magically disappear the mountain of evidence about Trump and Trump's cronies that we already have. This is why the Republican reaction to the Mueller report reminds me of the OJ case so much.

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This part, however, is a strawman. I don't believe Trump is an agent of Russia, nor do the majority of commentators in the evil "MSM". Trump was their preferred candidate over the hawkish Hillary Clinton, and it's in Russia's best-interests to sow discontent and doubt among the American public for sure. In addition, Trump has his own reasons - business interests, malignant narcissism - for enjoying Russia's good graces.

Trump is easily manipulated by Russia. FFS, he's even easily manipulated by the dummy in the DPRK.

Is Trump a patriot? Do you really believe he is?
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Old 03-29-2019, 10:07 AM   #103
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I thought this Conrad Black piece was an interesting read for those who are seeking an alternate perspective on the sideshow down south:

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As the Trump-Kremlin conspiracy vanishes in a flash and puff of smoke, the colossal absurdity of it suddenly becomes clearer. Former senior CIA and FBI officials — John Brennan and Andrew McCabe — said in the last two weeks that the president of the U.S. may be “an asset” of the government of the detritus of the old Soviet Union, a country shorn of more than half of its population and with a GDP smaller than Canada’s. This was always an insane proposition. No U.S. major party presidential candidate would ever have considered colluding with a foreign government to rig an election, and no one who tried to would even get a security clearance. Yet practically the entire Democratic Party and 80 per cent of the American national media bought more or less fully into this Brobdingnagian canard...

...This astonishing state of affairs arose because Donald Trump successfully attacked the entire political establishment for 20 years of fruitless wars and humanitarian crises in the Middle East, the greatest financial crisis since the Great Depression, flat-lined living standards being the “new normal” and a foreign policy that oscillated between George W. Bush’s trigger-happy foreign policy and Barack Obama’s declinist passivity and evaporating “red lines.” Such an election upset caused great stupefaction, especially because Trump had spent much of his career in shadowy, over-publicized, and often hucksterish activities that sometimes were outright flimflam. His career and public personality invited suspicion that he was ethically challenged. From these unique circumstances, the monster of the Russian collusion fraud was born and lurched about for over two years.

The imputation of base motives to Trump is not surprising, but the supreme defamation of treason is the most disgraceful character assassination in American political history. It was part of a largely uncoordinated scheme in which all of the men just named, and the former attorney-general and deputy attorney-general (Loretta Lynch and Sally Yates), as will be deduced from hearings and investigations that are in some cases already underway, politicized impartial national security agencies and attempted to influence a presidential election, and then to undo the result of that election. All the agitation and histrionics of Democratic committee chairmen in the House of Representatives about new investigations is just hot air...

...Canada is, of all foreign countries, the most generally informed about American affairs, and it was almost monochromatically credulous toward these nonsensical charges against the president. It need hardly be emphasized that Donald Trump is a singularly un-Canadian personality. He is many things that Canadians are not and don’t generally admire. Nothing is wrong with that; he has no reason to care what Canadians think and Canadians have no obligation to like him. But we do have an obligation to ourselves to recognize and describe American political events accurately and even perceptively. No one seriously expects the Europeans to figure out American affairs. They generally stereotype Americans (along with Canadians) and even the British rarely have any concept of the U.S. apart from New York, Washington and Los Angeles, interesting cities which fortunately don’t much influence U.S. national elections...
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Old 03-29-2019, 10:35 AM   #104
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Still great to listen to Adam Schiff rebuke his Republican intelligence committee members asking him to step down.

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Yeah Schiff crushed it there.

But really it’s just a reading of the facts. Things these people already know and have fully sold their soul to facilitate.
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Old 03-29-2019, 11:48 AM   #106
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I thought this Conrad Black piece was an interesting read for those who are seeking an alternate perspective on the sideshow down south:

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There are very few things on earth that make me grate my teeth as hard as Conrad Black's writing.

Why say "big lie" when "Brobdingnagian canard" will do?
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Trump in mid-season form druring his campaign rally in Michigan today. The twitter thread has all the highlights.
I just....this can't be real life, right?
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Old 03-29-2019, 12:09 PM   #108
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Posting a National Review opinion piece is akin to posting a gif of a bald eagle gargling Reagan's balls
Soooo you'd rather just blindly attack the source instead of taking the time to read an opinion from a well-respected lawyer that you might disagree with. Tch, so lazy.

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That is a charitable way to put it.

An alternative explanation, and perhaps a more legally correct one, is that Mueller punted the obstruction question for Congress to decide.

Barr just jumped in and provided an answer that he was not called on to give.
That's certainly an alternative explanation, but its hardly legally correct. Mueller doesn't report to Congress, and Congress doesn't indict or prosecute people, thats the sole authority of the AG and DOJ. Mueller literally asked Barr to make the decision that he was unable to make. Please read the NR piece to understand why your theory makes no sense.

The only thing Congress could do would be to start impeachment proceedings, as impeachment is inherently a political process, not a legal one. Good luck getting Republican Senators to vote to impeach Trump based on obstructing a crime he didn't commit though.

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It'll tell me that there isn't a good case for conspiracy or obstruction.

This part, however, is a strawman. I don't believe Trump is an agent of Russia, nor do the majority of commentators in the evil "MSM". Trump was their preferred candidate over the hawkish Hillary Clinton, and it's in Russia's best-interests to sow discontent and doubt among the American public for sure. In addition, Trump has his own reasons - business interests, malignant narcissism - for enjoying Russia's good graces.

Trump is easily manipulated by Russia. FFS, he's even easily manipulated by the dummy in the DPRK.

Is Trump a patriot? Do you really believe he is?

Failing a legal test on two narrow questions in the Mueller report does not magically disappear the mountain of evidence about Trump and Trump's cronies that we already have. This is why the Republican reaction to the Mueller report reminds me of the OJ case so much.
Yes I believe Trump is a patriot, he very clearly loves his country. And yes, there are absolutely people who believe Trump is a massive traitor working directly for Putin and the Russians. It happens when biased actors like ex-CIA Director Brennan get hired by CNN to say Trump committed treason every night for 2 years straight. People actually start to believe House Intel members like Schiff and Swallwell when they repeatedly say Trump is an agent of Russia, and that they've seen proof of collusion (that they refuse to show to anybody else). Its sick and needs to stop.

The Russiagate collusion hoax has been horribly detrimental to the body politic of America. People are at each others throats over the tiniest policy disputes. I'm not asking you to put on a MAGA hat or start waving a Trump flag or anything, I would just like to see the heated level of discussion reduced by a few degrees by agreeing that while Trump certainly isn't perfect, he also isn't a traitor who betrayed his country in pursuit of the Presidency.

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Trump's problem though is now he's trying to get retribution. He should just say "I'm glad the Mueller report proved there was no collusion as I've maintained all along. I'm glad that justice played out the way it did and I look forward to turning my attention to more pressing matters effecting the american people"

but he doesn't, because he's an #######.
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Some lines from Trump(the POTUS) rally last night

- "The crazy attempt by the Democrat Party and the fake news media right back there and the 'deep state' to overturn the results of the 2016 election have failed."

- "The Russia witch hunt was a plan by those who lost the election to try and illegally regain power by framing innocent Americans, many of them."

- "And this group of major losers did not just ruthlessly attack me, my family and everyone who questioned their lies they tried to divide our country.

- "Little pencil neck Adam Schiff ... got the smallest, thinnest neck I've ever seen. He is not a long ball hitter."

-"They came from the valleys. They came from the mountains. They came out of the damn rivers."(Trump voters)

-"I always say, they say the elite. They're the elite. I'm not. Well, I have a better education than them. I'm smarter than them. I went to the best schools, they didn't. Much more beautiful house, much more beautiful apartment, much more beautiful everything and I'm president and they're not."

- "I get a kick I hear, so and so, the elite and then you see this guy like this little schlepper. This is elite? I'm not elite. This is elite? We're the elite. You're smarter. You're sharper. You're more loyal. You're a hell of a lot tougher, a hell of a lot tougher.

- "The Democrats have to now decide whether they will continue defrauding the public with ridiculous bull####."

- "They do anything they can -- you're a shifty shift."

- "I support the Great Lakes, always have. They're beautiful. They're big, very deep, record deepness."

- "Go get yourself a good socialist."

- "Democrats are pushing a cynical and destructive agenda of radicalism, resistance. Resist. Resist and revenge."

- "They're all met by the lawyers and they say, say the following phrase. I am very afraid for my life. I am afraid for my life. OK. And then I look at the guy, he looks like he just got out of the ring, he's the heavyweight champion of the world. He's afraid for his life. It's a big fat con job, folks. It's a big fat con job."(asylum seeker)
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Old 03-29-2019, 12:36 PM   #111
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There are very few things on earth that make me grate my teeth as hard as Conrad Black's writing.

Why say "big lie" when "Brobdingnagian canard" will do?
You obliviously have to take Black with a grain of salt, but I do look forward to gleaning new vocabulary or learning some obscure historical reference from his columns. His offbeat writing style is good in small doses - especially when you contrast it with the boring monotony that's out there today.
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The Russiagate collusion hoax has been horribly detrimental to the body politic of America. People are at each others throats over the tiniest policy disputes. I'm not asking you to put on a MAGA hat or start waving a Trump flag or anything, I would just like to see the heated level of discussion reduced by a few degrees by agreeing that while Trump certainly isn't perfect, he also isn't a traitor who betrayed his country in pursuit of the Presidency.
For the first bolded, I mean....when did you start following politics? This is not something that happened as soon as Trump won, or you'd have to be beyond delusional and naive to believe otherwise (we have clips of Obama getting lit up for his suit choices not that many pages ago). This started even earlier than Obama, this probably goes back to Bush circa 2005. So this is nothing new, and given how Trump is not really interested in civility unless it's calling him greater than Christ, this will not change now, and it won't be because of the people against Trump.

As to the second bolded, this is a man who will sell out anyone to further himself. His record shows you this. Also, Trump's severely impaired mental state is a far bigger concern than his loyalty to anyone but himself. Just imagine how far gone he'll be in 12, 24, 48 months. Scary to think about, to say the least.
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So is this genuine or is this a work for Wrestlemania?

https://twitter.com/user/status/1111670587750010881
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Trump craps on the US all the time. He dodged the draft, insults war hero's, was the leader of the birther movement, which was an outright embarrassment for the country, he cozies up to dictators who are long time enemies of the USA, yet insults it's allies, and if you think Trump for one second would do one thing that puts country before his personal interests well, I'm not sure what Trump you have been watching.
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Trump's problem though is now he's trying to get retribution. He should just say "I'm glad the Mueller report proved there was no collusion as I've maintained all along. I'm glad that justice played out the way it did and I look forward to turning my attention to more pressing matters effecting the american people"

but he doesn't, because he's an #######.
Actually, Trumps problem is that he is a narcissistic ####### who was never fit to be president to begin with. Expecting proper or predictable behaviour from him isn't realistic.
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There is not one Great Lake in this list of 30 deepest lakes in the world:

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/...the-world.html
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Well, Lake Superior holds the record as the deepest ever.... Great Lake.
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I'm not asking you to put on a MAGA hat or start waving a Trump flag or anything, I would just like to see the heated level of discussion reduced by a few degrees by agreeing that while Trump certainly isn't perfect, he also isn't a traitor who betrayed his country in pursuit of the Presidency.
Oh yeah, totally...

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Oh yeah, totally...

You think he was serious? lol in deeeeep
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Oh please. Trump facetiously asked in a public speech for the Russians to "hack" the 30,000 emails that Hillary herself deleted during the middle of an active investigation into her abuse of a private email server. He was making a point about Hillarys blatant corruption, as those 30,000 emails have still never seen the light of day.

The double-standard is breathtaking. I can't even imagine the (rightful) howls of outrage had it been Trump the one actively obstructing Muellers investigation by deleting tens of thousands of emails that had been previously subpoenaed.

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