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Old 11-24-2015, 02:52 PM   #1021
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Me, everyday. My education is in a sense holding me back, I can't get a decent job to save my life. Really really sucks to be in my prime career years with zero opportunity working near minimum wage... with 2 University degrees. Ughh. I think I'm going to die in debt.
Dude, you have to leave this city.
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Old 11-24-2015, 02:52 PM   #1022
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Not sure if this was directed to me, but I'm a manager.
I assume gladaki is in a somewhat entry-level position and doesn't manage anyone himself. Otherwise he would be able to see it from his managers perspective a little better and would have went to his manager with a better argument than others get paid more than me at some other mystical company.

If you were a manager, how would you have responded to Gladaki's request for a raise?
Considering you can draw exactly nothing from his post on an internet forum, I don't know how I would react, or know his situation to make an informed decision.

I mean he posted:

"I was complaining my manager that I get paid atleast 20% less than what is comparable to market. He said, there are more exp people ready to work for what I getting paid..I dont know what to say..on his reply"

Does anyone actually think this is how he approached the situation? Or is this just internet forum summary talk?

But if thats exactly how the situation was approached, well don't mind me..

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Old 11-24-2015, 02:55 PM   #1023
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I was complaining my manager that I get paid atleast 20% less than what is comparable to market. He said, there are more exp people ready to work for what I getting paid..I dont know what to say..on his reply
I wouldn't touch the issue again. If you are certain you're undervalued, test that market opportunity you perceive.

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Old 11-24-2015, 02:56 PM   #1024
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Me, everyday. My education is in a sense holding me back, I can't get a decent job to save my life. Really really sucks to be in my prime career years with zero opportunity working near minimum wage... with 2 University degrees. Ughh. I think I'm going to die in debt.
Move.


You are young, I assume have nothing to tie you down here.
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Old 11-24-2015, 03:04 PM   #1025
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I went with APEGA salary survey,but it was a lunch conversation. Actually, In past they asked me to take certain responsibilities and promised a raise in next cycle but the country manager who promised it was let go
I'm guessing your in seismic processing for a certain french geophysical firm, just a guess though. Tough to use APEGA salary survey as a guide in that side of the industry. I find most salaries reported are skewed upwards by E/P company salaries.
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Old 11-24-2015, 03:07 PM   #1026
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I have never asked for a raise in my entire career. Even if you manager wants to give you a raise, there're a lot of hurdles to cross to prove you deserve it unless it is a promotion.

It is far easier to go to a new company and to sweet talk your way into higher salary or position.
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Old 11-24-2015, 03:12 PM   #1027
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I have never asked for a raise in my entire career. Even if you manager wants to give you a raise, there're a lot of hurdles to cross to prove you deserve it unless it is a promotion.

It is far easier to go to a new company and to sweet talk your way into higher salary or position.
I have asked for and gotten raises.


The thing is you need to ensure there is a reason you should get a raise. Usually, it can't be "I want more money" or "inflation".

You need to outline what it is about your value to the company that isn't properly represented by your current compensation package.
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Old 11-24-2015, 03:15 PM   #1028
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The smart way to get a raise:

- Pull job description.
- Do an honest self-assessment of your position, and if you have any additional responsibilities/accomplishments over a defined period of time.
- request meeting with supervisor. Treat it like a sales pitch. You are talent above and beyond what they hired you for.
- Typically, management will be either sympathetic or acquiescent.
- if not, you don't want to work for that company anyway.
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Me, everyday. My education is in a sense holding me back, I can't get a decent job to save my life. Really really sucks to be in my prime career years with zero opportunity working near minimum wage... with 2 University degrees. Ughh. I think I'm going to die in debt.

Your education isn't holding you back... did you get any experience in co-op/work terms or anything in your field during your 4-5 years of university?
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Old 11-24-2015, 04:51 PM   #1030
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I'm guessing your in seismic processing for a certain french geophysical firm, just a guess though. Tough to use APEGA salary survey as a guide in that side of the industry. I find most salaries reported are skewed upwards by E/P company salaries.
gladaki isn't working there as far as I Know, but he does have friends everywhere.

I used to work for CGGs main competitor, and was cut in March.

The salary was comparable to APEGA's guide, but about as low as they could get away with without all the actual geo's complaining about it.

To get around this issue of geo's complaining, they would hire non-geo's to do all the geo work.

In fact, when I was let go there was only 1 P.Geo there (i am G.I.T)- and he has also been laid off a week or two after me. So no geo's there. I would not use my old work for geophysical service, that's for sure.
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Old 11-24-2015, 05:04 PM   #1031
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Does anyone know who SemCAMS bought the Duvernay assets from?
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Old 11-24-2015, 06:01 PM   #1032
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The smart way to get a raise:

- Pull job description.
- Do an honest self-assessment of your position, and if you have any additional responsibilities/accomplishments over a defined period of time.
- request meeting with supervisor. Treat it like a sales pitch. You are talent above and beyond what they hired you for.
- Typically, management will be either sympathetic or acquiescent.
- if not, you don't want to work for that company anyway.
As a plebien, myself, I would approach it from a different tact. I would suggest starting with a request for a performance review and see where that discussion will lead. A few years ago our office wasn't doing well financially and so after a good review, I acknowledged that a salary bump might not happen, but maybe extra vacation time or something like that.

I am not sure about what Gladaki does, but it really depends on how integral he is to the team when asking for a salary bump. Is 20% (should Galadaki call a bluff) worth having to find a new person, go through all of the HR b.s., retraining, etc. etc? I am not sure. In some places it could be that easy, but in others it's a PITA and worth just appeasing the person instead of having them walk. BUT... if there are layoffs that have to be made, it doesn't help, unless you're still in the lower echelons of the salaried employees.
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Not sure if this was directed to me, but I'm a manager.
I assume gladaki is in a somewhat entry-level position and doesn't manage anyone himself. Otherwise he would be able to see it from his managers perspective a little better and would have went to his manager with a better argument than others get paid more than me at some other mystical company.

If you were a manager, how would you have responded to Gladaki's request for a raise?
Well, I manage managers, so I do have an opinion on how I would expect a manager to respond to what he posted. As a rule, I want my front line employees comfortable talking to their managers about pretty much anything, which includes salary expectations. If the conversation went how he says it went, I see nothing there that should have put a target on his back, and if the relationship changes after a conversation like that, then I'd be pretty disappointed with the manager. If the guy kept pushing things, and resented the fact that he got nothing than it's a different story, but I don't see any of that in the post.
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Well, I manage managers, so I do have an opinion on how I would expect a manager to respond to what he posted. As a rule, I want my front line employees comfortable talking to their managers about pretty much anything, which includes salary expectations. If the conversation went how he says it went, I see nothing there that should have put a target on his back, and if the relationship changes after a conversation like that, then I'd be pretty disappointed with the manager. If the guy kept pushing things, and resented the fact that he got nothing than it's a different story, but I don't see any of that in the post.
I guess your original comment wasn't directed at me then. I never stated it put a target on his back or anything like that. I stated he should handle the requests for raises a bit better.
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Old 11-24-2015, 06:50 PM   #1035
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As a rule, I want my front line employees comfortable talking to their managers about pretty much anything, which includes salary expectations. If the conversation went how he says it went, I see nothing there that should have put a target on his back, and if the relationship changes after a conversation like that, then I'd be pretty disappointed with the manager.
I agree and would add that salary planning conversations at this time of year aren't out of the norm.
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Great example of recency bias, have you forgotten that the entire financial system almost collapsed in 2008? We live in a boom bust cycle.
Wrong, the entire financial system did collapse in 2008; they just forgot to tell the general public about it...
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Old 11-24-2015, 10:40 PM   #1037
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Does anyone know the dynamics and the choice between laying off staff vs salary rollbacks?
I am always curious to know why companies will layoff staff who are in core positions rather than cutting salaries across the broad.
I do - Wall Street loves layoffs in good and bad times, doesn't matter. Companies are always content to do more with less. Start thinking as an investor, trader or CEO with tons of share options and what not and that will get you the answer you're looking for. Everything else that's been posted here in response is just a bunch of noise for the little guy to point fingers at...
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Does anyone know who SemCAMS bought the Duvernay assets from?
I've heard XTO may be involved. But not 100% sure.
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The smart way to get a raise:

- Pull job description.
- Do an honest self-assessment of your position, and if you have any additional responsibilities/accomplishments over a defined period of time.
- request meeting with supervisor. Treat it like a sales pitch. You are talent above and beyond what they hired you for.
- Typically, management will be either sympathetic or acquiescent.
- if not, you don't want to work for that company anyway.
I'd approach it in the same way you outlined as well.

However, asking for a raise in Calgary right now is asinine. I think one needs to have a very sober view of the current market and an understanding that it is very difficult to justify a raise when margins are as compressed as they are and hundreds of people are losing their jobs month to month.

If you have a job right now in Calgary, be thankful, not greedy.

I recently completed a professional designation, and have taken on substantial extra responsibilities at my job. In my mind I am absolutely justified in asking for a substantial raise, but I sure as hell am not going to with things the way they are right now.
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Well, I manage managers, so I do have an opinion on how I would expect a manager to respond to what he posted. As a rule, I want my front line employees comfortable talking to their managers about pretty much anything, which includes salary expectations. If the conversation went how he says it went, I see nothing there that should have put a target on his back, and if the relationship changes after a conversation like that, then I'd be pretty disappointed with the manager. If the guy kept pushing things, and resented the fact that he got nothing than it's a different story, but I don't see any of that in the post.
Well, I manage the managers of the managers and if the managers manager is not managing the management of managing then I would have a big issue there.
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