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Old 10-06-2015, 02:22 PM   #61
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Old 10-06-2015, 02:22 PM   #62
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So how long will it take for the job market to stabilize if this is the new reality?

How many people would leave Calgary?
I think and I hope this is the beginning of the end to layoffs. Companies are setting their budget for 2016 based on $50 oil now so they should know how many employees are needed to complete those projects.

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Old 10-06-2015, 02:23 PM   #63
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ha, these are the questions we are all asking.
I'm asking, how the frack do I start a career with a geoscience degree when nobody is hiring and I can't get any experience? Desperately want to have a career, a family, a house and at the moment I don't see those things happening. It doesn't even have to be geoscience, I just need a professional career that isn't labor.

Problem for me is I can't transfer my skills over to another job even though the skills would be transferable in a lot of places, companies just don't see it that way. Had a walkthrough and job shadow, could've done the job no problem but won't get it because I don't have the piece of paper backing it up.

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Old 10-06-2015, 02:23 PM   #64
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a good friend is a conductor with CN. while the pay is relatively decent, being perpetually on call 364.5 days out of the year and going through constant layoffs, is not a way of life for me.
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Old 10-06-2015, 02:23 PM   #65
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You're a member of the League of Shadows, aren't you?
No, not even close, what's the connection though??
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Old 10-06-2015, 02:53 PM   #66
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I'm asking, how the frack do I start a career with a geoscience degree when nobody is hiring and I can't get any experience? Desperately want to have a career, a family, a house and at the moment I don't see those things happening. It doesn't even have to be geoscience, I just need a professional career that isn't labor.

Problem for me is I can't transfer my skills over to another job even though the skills would be transferable in a lot of places, companies just don't see it that way. Had a walkthrough and job shadow, could've done the job no problem but won't get it because I don't have the piece of paper backing it up.
You are right, you probably won't be able to start your career with geoscience. Your degree is too specific and the job market is awful for anything geology related.

However, that doesn't mean this is the end. My dad graduated shortly before the crash in the 80s and he ended up working for H&R Block for two years before landing another job related to his career and he went on to have a full career related to his degree, so don't lose hope.

Your main goal should be to cut your expenses and switch jobs from that labour one you mentioned to something that makes better cash. I know you are already trying to do this. I think you already know what you have to do, you just gotta keep adapting to the market and survive. Remember its only temporary pain, the market will eventually improve!

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Old 10-06-2015, 03:05 PM   #67
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Personally, I'd be stoked to learn how to drive a train, are you kidding?!
It's about half as hard as a car, no steering wheel.
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Old 10-06-2015, 03:17 PM   #68
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I'm asking, how the frack do I start a career with a geoscience degree when nobody is hiring and I can't get any experience? Desperately want to have a career, a family, a house and at the moment I don't see those things happening. It doesn't even have to be geoscience, I just need a professional career that isn't labor.

Problem for me is I can't transfer my skills over to another job even though the skills would be transferable in a lot of places, companies just don't see it that way. Had a walkthrough and job shadow, could've done the job no problem but won't get it because I don't have the piece of paper backing it up.
Hang in there AcGold. My situation was virtually identical to yours, I graduated with a geoscience degree in 1989 when there was absolutely no hiring going on either and I was desperate for any kind of job. It took a few months but eventually I ended up hiring on with a major well servicing company doing wireline logging. Stuck with them for a few years cycling through logging, fraccing, and eventually moving into directional drilling. 25 years later I am still in the O&G business but have never worked a day in my life doing the job I got an education for. But that degree got me in the door initially and let me down this path eventually. It has certainly turned out differently than I first envisioned but it's been a good career for me. You may not end up working in a field directly related to your education but with some luck you will find something and you never know where it will lead.
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It was not. My grandfather and father worked their whole lives for CP. My dad was a civil engineer and manager on the Transportation Dept at Windsor Station and was sent out to shim rails in Sask during a strike in the mid 90s.
Sounds like your dad being "operations" in nature would have made the strike lists, particularly for track maintenance which requires less skill than driving a train. Indeed "office types" were deployed to far flung parts of Canada during the strike of 2006(ish) to cover track maintenance during the strike.

Conductor training for "office types" is a whole other matter. We're not shovelling sand here, it's serious business here. If I put on my business hat I can appreciate that it is a good idea for strike continuity, but the reality of having Bobby the HR Administrator learning how to safely couple cars in the dead of winter for weeks at a time away from his family (much less actually doing that during a strike) sure doesn't make this job any better for Bobby, especially at a place where you're working full tilt as it is. Maybe it's appealing if you're 22 with no dependents or spouse....

That said, being a conductor might be a good employment route if the work schedule works for you... Here's an AMA from reddit on the matter.

https://www.reddit.com/r/jobs/commen...e_over_100k_a/
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Yeah, Except it's a train!

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a good friend is a conductor with CN. while the pay is relatively decent, being perpetually on call 364.5 days out of the year and going through constant layoffs, is not a way of life for me.
It's apparently not a way of life for this guy either. (Use headphones! Lots of F-bombs). This makes me laugh so hopefully it brings someone a smile.

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Rough numbers from conoco:

100 staff layoffs last week
300 staff layoffs today
100 contractor layoffs today
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I'm asking, how the frack do I start a career with a geoscience degree when nobody is hiring and I can't get any experience? Desperately want to have a career, a family, a house and at the moment I don't see those things happening. It doesn't even have to be geoscience, I just need a professional career that isn't labor.

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The only recession proof industry is the funeral business.
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Just saw that on Reddit thats a lot of people
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Old 10-06-2015, 09:04 PM   #75
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The only recession proof industry is the funeral business.
Crime is recession proof, it even increases during a recession. Lawyers, cops etc always steady.
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Crime is recession proof, it even increases during a recession. Lawyers, cops etc always steady.
Now I'm even more bummed!
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Personally, I'd be stoked to learn how to drive a train, are you kidding?!
What? Where are you from? Only in old Soviet Russia does driver get stoked by train.
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What? Where are you from? Only in old Soviet Russia does driver get stoked by train.
If for those bullet maglava or some such trains that can get you from cowtown to deadmonton in 20 minutes, I would be pretty stoked too.
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If for those bullet maglava or some such trains that can get you from cowtown to deadmonton in 20 minutes, I would be pretty stoked too.

No, no, it was a joke about stoking and trains.
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No, no, it was a joke about stoking and trains.
Haha, in Russia, train stokes you!

I laughed.
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