High-Profile Sexual Abuse Epidemic

[GordonBlue]

Originally Posted by fleury

I'm not a big fan of the movement because some of it is just shaming without needing evidence or corroboration, and to me the first two accounts seem fairly trivial to ruin someone's career over. The last one though, seems fairly credible from the amount of detail she went into (and the seriousness of it). If what she's saying is true and she was on the path to these big dreams, it's really unfortunate for her. You'd have to think roofieing someone wouldn't be a one time deal and more people will eventually come forward. Who knows.

the amount of detail make me believe that it could be a lie.
I've heard a lot of lies where there is an excessive amount of detail to try and convince you it's the truth. seems like putting a lot of thought in how to make a lie sound as convincing as possible.

[GirlySports]

A fourth

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...l-assault.html

A fourth woman has come forward to accuse scientist and TV host Neil deGrasse Tyson of sexual assault.

Two more allegations against the renowned scientist came to light last week after an original allegation Tyson drugged and raped former classmate Tchiya Amet in 1984.

But on Wednesday a fourth sexual assault claim was published by Buzzfeed News from a woman who says Tyson propositioned her at a party in the American Museum of Natural History, New York in 2010.

[troutman]

Watson said at one point Tyson engaged in a 'Native American handshake' in which both of them held hands tightly, made eye contact, and felt for each other's pulse. Tyson told Watson that the handshake was a 'spirit connection.'

Tyson acknowledges he did offer 'a special handshake,' but that he hadn't touched Watson up until that point.

Ick.

[CaptainCrunch]

Wow there's some creepy factor here. I think he's pretty much done. There's a pattern developing.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

A fourth

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...l-assault.html

The buzzfeed article doesn't discuss anything about sexual assault, but sexual harassment.

Now a fourth woman has told BuzzFeed News her experience of sexual harassment from Tyson. In January 2010, she recalled, she joined her then-boyfriend at a holiday party for employees of the American Museum of Natural History. Tyson, its most famous employee, drunkenly approached her, she said, making sexual jokes and propositioning her to join him alone in his office. In a 2014 email shared with BuzzFeed News, she described the incident to her own employer in order to shoot down a proposed collaboration with Tyson.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by troutman

Ick.

That's the old stuff. There seems to be no information about the latest claim in the article Girly linked to, even though that was the title.


Edit: Weird, the article now seems to at least show some of the details of the most recent incident.

[Oling_Roachinen]

It is sexual harassment though. You go to a company party and one of the faces of your company makes lewd jokes and suggestions while you're their with your boyfriend? That's not okay and actions like that definitely need to be squashed, even if they aren't criminal and don't deserve a prison sentence.

Especially when you consider that it left such a negative impression that even four years after the incident she didn't want to deal with him.


EDIT: Ninja editted by corporatejay. I think we're all on the same page.

[Erick Estrada]

Man I can't believe the Les Moonves scandal isn't bigger news here. He had a CBS employee on call to perform oral sex at his beck and call. Total sleaze bag.

https://www.businessinsider.com/les-...l-sex-2018-12/

[GGG]

The reporters need better precision in the language they use talking about these topics as currently Tyson is accused of 1 instance of Sexual Assualt 2 instances of sexual harassment and one instance of being creepy.

This isn’t to defend anything he did however we need to be able to differentiate between Ansari and Weinstein so calling everything sexual assault doesn’t work

[Knut]

More like Neil Grabass Tyson.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Man I can't believe the Les Moonves scandal isn't bigger news here. He had a CBS employee on call to perform oral sex at his beck and call. Total sleaze bag.

https://www.businessinsider.com/les-...l-sex-2018-12/

Now that would be an interesting meeting.

[Fuzz]

How much you wanna bet he was throwing out Uranus jokes?


"my favourite place in the entire galaxy, is Uranus..."

[darockwilder]

Originally Posted by Hes

More like Neil Grabass Tyson.

Heyooooo

[Harry Lime]

There were a couple of unusual references in her interview. She had gone to the school previously with a similar misconduct complaint against a student and a member of faculty, and was told not to pursue it. I had to go back and listen to that part again, to make sure what I heard was what she said.

I have no idea what to make of her, as she seems to be her own worst enemy in terms of credibility.

The new accusation is of a drunken proposition. A great number of men and women are guilty of being embarrassingly drunk, and making a fool of themselves while the proposition goes nowhere.

There is still only one serious accusation, in my mind. The others were incidents of stupidity.

[Harry Lime]

I also agree that Moonves is in danger of being a Weinstien level scumbag. It wouldn't surprise me at all if there is much more in that closet, if the first accusation turns out to be true.

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

There were a couple of unusual references in her interview. She had gone to the school previously with a similar misconduct complaint against a student and a member of faculty, and was told not to pursue it. I had to go back and listen to that part again, to make sure what I heard was what she said.

I have no idea what to make of her, as she seems to be her own worst enemy in terms of credibility.

The new accusation is of a drunken proposition. A great number of men and women are guilty of being embarrassingly drunk, and making a fool of themselves while the proposition goes nowhere.

There is still only one serious accusation, in my mind. The others were incidents of stupidity.

I see you point but I think the issue is the context. He was in a position of authority and at a staff function. In another context it was a harmless failed proposition. But in this context it could be interpreted as leveraging his standing to have sex.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I see you point but I think the issue is the context. He was in a position of authority and at a staff function. In another context it was a harmless failed proposition. But in this context it could be interpreted as leveraging his standing to have sex.

It's interesting, because it seems his attempts at drunken propositions all appeared to fail. In the larger scheme of things, if nobody took him up on his offers, did he actually have any perceived power over anybody?

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Wormius

It's interesting, because it seems his attempts at drunken propositions all appeared to fail. In the larger scheme of things, if nobody took him up on his offers, did he actually have any perceived power over anybody?

I'm not the person who should be answering these questions but I think that it is a matter of degree. Sexual harassment exists on a spectrum. Its a question of how much is too much, and when and where is this behaviour acceptable.

[Swarly]

Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden

I see you point but I think the issue is the context. He was in a position of authority and at a staff function. In another context it was a harmless failed proposition. But in this context it could be interpreted as leveraging his standing to have sex.

But he wasn't in a position of power over her was he? In the story it says she joined her then ex-boyfriend at his Xmas party. Tyson would be in a position of power over the boyfriend not her, or does authority extend to partners and friends of people who work for you?

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by Swarly

But he wasn't in a position of power over her was he? In the story it says she joined her then ex-boyfriend at his Xmas party. Tyson would be in a position of power over the boyfriend not her, or does authority extend to partners and friends of people who work for you?

All good questions. I think that the big take away is that public figures need to be careful about how they try to get laid. The positives of this is fewer people get abused. The Draw back is they get laid a little less often. Seems like a fair trade off to me.