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Old 02-21-2018, 05:52 PM   #1
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Icon37 Ottawa fully exploring trading Karlsson

Think this needs to be split from the rumor thread as this appears to be the biggest topic going through the trade deadline:

McKenzie's take on the Karlsson talk:

https://www.tsn.ca/sens-considering-...ions-1.1006645

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From the Senators’ perspective, though, this is a franchise player, one of the top three players in the entire game. If he’s to be traded, the return must reflect that. The Senators will be looking for a veritable king’s ransom.

To the best of our knowledge, the Senators have not received formal offers on Karlsson. The discussions that have taken place thus far were more Dorion laying out the general parameters of what a Karlsson deal would need to look like from Ottawa’s end.

There’s been talk of it taking five or six or maybe seven pieces that could include some combination of good, young roster players, top prospects and first-round picks.

And Bobby Ryan.

Bobby Ryan?

The Senators have let it be known that the number of notable pieces in the price could be discounted somewhat if Ryan and his contract are taken on as part of any Karlsson deal. The oft-injured, soon-to-be 31-year-old, who has never scored for Ottawa the way he did for Anaheim, has another four years on a contract that pays him $7.5 million per season with an annual cap hit of $7.25 million.

The Senators know full well that the “Ryan provision” could severely limit the number of Karlsson contenders; that some teams simply aren’t in a position to take on Ryan’s salary or cap hit at the deadline, even if the plan would be to buy out Ryan in the off-season.

And the Senators also know that their tangible hockey return on a Karlsson trade would be lessened if Ryan is included, but that would be the cost of doing business, the cost of getting Ryan’s money off the books for the next four years.

A potential Karlsson trade does not absolutely have to include Bobby Ryan. Not at all. But if it doesn’t, the price is that much higher.

And Karlsson isn’t being traded to simply facilitate a Ryan contract dump. It’s merely an opportunity for Ottawa to perhaps get out from under Ryan’s contract while still getting a notable return on Karlsson.

Karlsson being available right now “for the right price” is a seismic development leading up the trade deadline. A healthy Karlsson playing at his peak could be a game changer for so many teams.

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So who’s in?

Well, as mentioned, it’s believed more than a half-dozen teams have either been in contact with Ottawa or perhaps have been contacted by the Senators. What’s difficult, if not impossible to tell at this time, is what any one team’s legitimate level of interest is.

For now, it’s too soon to separate the serious buyers from tire-kickers. Also, a team could mistakenly get labelled as an interested buyer simply by having players or prospects Ottawa would like to get and answering a phone call from the Senators.

There’ll be no end of speculation on who could, would or should be in on Karlsson.

Tampa Bay, of course, will lead the way on the speculative front.

The Lightning are a legitimate Cup contender. Karlsson would be precisely the type of impact defenceman the Lightning could use and to potentially have him for not one, but two, runs at the Stanley Cup could be noteworthy.

Tampa would not appear to be able to take on the Ryan contract. That seems a non-starter because of salary cap considerations. But Ryan isn’t an essential piece of the puzzle either. It just would mean the non-Ryan price would be that much higher.

So who would Ottawa want from Tampa?

Mikhail Sergachev? Brayden Point? Both?

The Bolts are loaded with other prospects and picks and could deal in volume, but if the ask includes a blossoming front-line centre such as Point, well, filling one hole on the blueline would be creating another significant one up front.

You can see where this is going.

Legitimate Cup contenders, as much as they would love to add Karlsson to their blueline now, are not likely keen on giving up any significant pieces from their current roster that have brought them to the level of legit contender.

So would the Lightning be one of the teams potentially interested in Karlsson? You would have to think so, but could they or would they consider paying such a steep price on the eve of a playoff run?

What say you, Steve Yzerman?

It’s believed the first-blush, broad-brush reaction to the general parameters laid out by Dorion is that the price is far too steep. It may be the “ask” from Ottawa is so over the moon, one could legitimately ask if Karlsson is really available. If so, this “Karlsson could be traded by Monday” fever could be short-lived.

Let there be no illusion here — that could turn out to be the case.

https://twitter.com/user/status/966432781566853120

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Chris Johnston on sportsnet is also saying there is a feeling that there is no chance Karlsson is back next season.

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Old 02-21-2018, 05:54 PM   #2
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Chris Johnston on sportsnet is also saying there is a feeling that there is no chance Karlsson isn't back next season.
Come on Stone... you know you want to demand a trade out of that tire fire too! Your bro loves it here...
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Old 02-21-2018, 05:54 PM   #3
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Sucks to be a Sens fan. Knowing your HOF defenceman during his prime, is on his way out must be a terrible feeling.

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whoops that should say there is a feeling that there is no chance Karlsson is back next season
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Old 02-21-2018, 05:56 PM   #5
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Rough time for Sens fans. Sheesh
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Old 02-21-2018, 05:59 PM   #6
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i wish nothing good for a franchise that willingly trades for Alex Burrows....
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Old 02-21-2018, 05:59 PM   #7
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i wish nothing good for a franchise that willingly trades for Alex Burrows....
Fair counterpoint.
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If only we kept the 1st, 2nd and 2nd we traded to the Islanders. I think those picks along with Fox or Andersson, Sam Bennett or Mark Jankowski, Jon Gillies and possibly a conditional 1st in 2019 depending on how deep we go into the playoffs or if we re-sign him could be enough to keep us in the running.

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Brodie - Karlsson
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Old 02-21-2018, 06:05 PM   #9
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I can really see the Flames getting involved in a three-way deal here.
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Old 02-21-2018, 06:06 PM   #10
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Reminds me of when Rishaug went out on a twitter crusade to soften the blow on the Expectations the Oilers were going to get when they trade Taylor Hall. It was as if he was sent out on a PR mission and knew well ahead what the trade was.
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Someone is going to end up paying an arm and a leg for 30 or so games worth of Karlson.

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Someone is going to end up paying an arm and a leg for 30 or so games worth of Karlson.
That's not true as he's under contract for next season. That said there's no way I make a deal for him that doesn't include him signing an extension.
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That's not true as he's under contract for next season. That said there's no way I make a deal for him that doesn't include him signing an extension.
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I dunno. A true contender can trade for him now, you have him for 2 solid cup runs and decide at that point whether they want to pay him $10+ million or part ways, ideally with a cup or two to show for it.

The lightening are in a position to do that I think. And they have so many prospects, they could probably get it done without taking away much from their current roster.
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I know almost nothing about the NHL these days. Has Karlsson bounced back from surgery or are the Sens shopping a lame horse?
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If only we kept the 1st, 2nd and 2nd we traded to the Islanders. I think those picks along with Fox or Andersson, Sam Bennett or Mark Jankowski, Jon Gillies and possibly a conditional 1st in 2019 depending on how deep we go into the playoffs or if we re-sign him could be enough to keep us in the running.

Giordano-Hamilton
Brodie - Karlsson
Kulak - Stone

Our powerplay units would definitely see an improvement
I doubt that would get it done. Mid-late pics really aren't all that valuable, in comparison to a player like Karlsson. Ottawa would want at least one big young piece coming back, a player on Monahan's level. There are several teams with multiple Monahan level players to trade. I can't see the Flames being able to put together a competitive offer that doesn't open up another huge hole.
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I wonder how much Karlsson having a down year is going to play into this. At the end of last season Karlsson had most people convinced that he's the best Dman in the league (or top 3 at worst) and no one seems too concerned with his team worst -27 in 53 games.

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E3 from our buddy Ek that the Oil is considering Karlsson with Ryan deal...
Theyd have the cap room alright.
McJesus and Karlsson eating a quarter of their cap. Not to mention Looch chomping good on it as well.
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Hedman and Karlsson on one line would be insane.
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