Yeah to me this is like when music downloading became the norm. I would wander through an HMV (RIP) and look at CD's costing $20-$30 and I would shake my head. I'll pay $5-$10 for better quality sound, cover art, the physical copy, etc... but if you're going to charge 4x that, free will do just fine.
Things like Netfllix and Spotify captured this price point for people. Netflix is actually working it's way out of that now as $15/month is feeling not worth it with Prime, Disney and....free methods...
Came across this post on reddit that details how the events of WW84 completely destroy the Batman universe if taken at face value (WW84 spoilers)
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Wait... 1984...
Internet Sluthing suggests that Bruce Wayne was born in 1972 in the DCEU. His parents died when he was between 8 and 12. That puts his parents' death at around 1984 on the outside.
If after July 4th was when the World got Wish-Mania, then most of the year has passed.
Meaning it is extremely likely that Bruce's parents are dead by the time the Magic Make-A-Wish fiasco started.
Bruce Wayne was fundamentally broken by his parents' death. There is no way he would not have wished for their return. Or Alfred would have made that wish instead. And not being Batman yet, Bruce would never have unwished that.
If we just barely missed the window of opportunity to wish the parents back to life (that is, they died just after the wish-a-thon), Bruce would be extremely aware of that missed chance and would likely be absolutely obsessed over the mystical arts. Obsession is sort of his jam.
Which means WW84 would fundamentally break the Batman story line.
Also means that there is no way in hell Batman (if he somehow arose from this mess) would not have researched the #### out of the 1984 magic wish nonsense and couldn't help but find out about WW.
I'm going to have to find a way to watch this warlock, just because I want to take part in the spoiler-laden aftermath. Maybe that's their 3D chess marketing plan?
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I'm going to have to find a way to watch this warlock, just because I want to take part in the spoiler-laden aftermath. Maybe that's their 3D chess marketing plan?
I just read the plot on Wikipedia. That was enough to keep me up to date with the memes and reinforce my decision not to watch it
Came across this post on reddit that details how the events of WW84 completely destroy the Batman universe if taken at face value (WW84 spoilers)
Spoiler!
Wait... 1984...
Internet Sluthing suggests that Bruce Wayne was born in 1972 in the DCEU. His parents died when he was between 8 and 12. That puts his parents' death at around 1984 on the outside.
If after July 4th was when the World got Wish-Mania, then most of the year has passed.
Meaning it is extremely likely that Bruce's parents are dead by the time the Magic Make-A-Wish fiasco started.
Bruce Wayne was fundamentally broken by his parents' death. There is no way he would not have wished for their return. Or Alfred would have made that wish instead. And not being Batman yet, Bruce would never have unwished that.
If we just barely missed the window of opportunity to wish the parents back to life (that is, they died just after the wish-a-thon), Bruce would be extremely aware of that missed chance and would likely be absolutely obsessed over the mystical arts. Obsession is sort of his jam.
Which means WW84 would fundamentally break the Batman story line.
Also means that there is no way in hell Batman (if he somehow arose from this mess) would not have researched the #### out of the 1984 magic wish nonsense and couldn't help but find out about WW.
I saw that, its interesting. I did laugh at the RedLetter guys premise on the main plot point
Spoiler!
You'd think that beyond the evil wishes that people would do. Wishing your annoying neighbor a painful death. Or eternal suffering to your ex.
You'd think the world would be a depressing place after the renouncing of the wishes.
Your kid is dying of cancer, you get the wish and use it and then have to renounce it. You can't afford to feed your family make a wish that makes it possible to do that. An end to war wish, or an end to famine wish.
And you have to renounce that, the premise was based pretty much on everyone making selfish choices for their wish spinning the world into chaos.
I mean what about the harmless wishes. IE The Steve Martin Christmas wish of a 30 day continuous orgasm.
First of all, probably most people wouldn't renounce it, second of all, a lot of people would renounce it and having viewed a personal paradise would blow their brains out.
Third of all, why would a psychopath renounce his wish? He'd want to see the world burn. Some KKK racist would wish for the wiping out of all blacks in history. A neo nazi the return of Hitler, the nerd that was bullied eternal torment and suffering to his bullies.
After I read the spoilers on this, I just went back to the fact that this movie was doomed to fail thanks to the premise and writing. The Plot is a entire issue and the seeming desire to make this a G rated super hero movie burned away any chance of emotional consequences.
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I saw that, its interesting. I did laugh at the RedLetter guys premise on the main plot point
Spoiler!
You'd think that beyond the evil wishes that people would do. Wishing your annoying neighbor a painful death. Or eternal suffering to your ex.
You'd think the world would be a depressing place after the renouncing of the wishes.
Your kid is dying of cancer, you get the wish and use it and then have to renounce it. You can't afford to feed your family make a wish that makes it possible to do that. An end to war wish, or an end to famine wish.
And you have to renounce that, the premise was based pretty much on everyone making selfish choices for their wish spinning the world into chaos.
I mean what about the harmless wishes. IE The Steve Martin Christmas wish of a 30 day continuous orgasm.
First of all, probably most people wouldn't renounce it, second of all, a lot of people would renounce it and having viewed a personal paradise would blow their brains out.
Third of all, why would a psychopath renounce his wish? He'd want to see the world burn. Some KKK racist would wish for the wiping out of all blacks in history. A neo nazi the return of Hitler, the nerd that was bullied eternal torment and suffering to his bullies.
After I read the spoilers on this, I just went back to the fact that this movie was doomed to fail thanks to the premise and writing. The Plot is a entire issue and the seeming desire to make this a G rated super hero movie burned away any chance of emotional consequences.
Ya after reading about it, I think this has to be the dumbest premise ever for a superhero movie. I was going to say that Patty Jenkins should get some slack as director because there's not much you can do with writing that bad, but then I saw she wrote it too. So yea, Disney should be very worried
I totally understand people didn't enjoy WW84 but in terms of box office I feel like the narrative isn't fair. Tenet came out in summer and with no view at home options and after opening to $20 million the next weekend it dropped 67% to $6.7 million. I will fully admit BvS had a terrible 2nd weekend and if this were a normal year and it had a 67% 2nd weekend drop I would agree with you. But given what's going on in the world a 67% drop in North America is perfectly reasonable, especially as it's in line with the only other large release. In fact because it has an option to view at home makes its performance better than Tenet .
Box office numbers are meaningless at this time. Too many variables that can’t be isolated to make any meaningful comparisons.
It did well enough for the studio to move forward with part 3 so you’ve got that going for you. Which is nice.
Why do you care so much about being fair to a mediocre superhero movie?
Nadal is strictly on this form to be a DC apologist.
They can do no wrong, everything bad that happens to them is because of circumstances. Plus all those popular Marvel movies are boring formulaic and it's hard to understand why people even like them.
WW84 was very very mediocre. We're a family of 5 so the $30 was quite reasonable. I like super hero movies and likely would have been convinced to take that group of 5 to the theatre. Glad that wasn't an option. Big budget had better step it up. There's a ####load of Netflix and Amazon originals better than WW84.
Will WW84 one day enter the so bad it's good territory? I am starting to think it will, lots of people enjoying the movie because of how laughable and nonsensical much of the story is.
Will WW84 one day enter the so bad it's good territory? I am starting to think it will, lots of people enjoying the movie because of how laughable and nonsensical much of the story is.
I just watched Demolition Man again the other day. A classic. Does WW84 have that level of satire?
Or are we talking the other kind of so bad it's funny? Like just pure badness and incompetence.
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Nadal is strictly on this form to be a DC apologist.
They can do no wrong, everything bad that happens to them is because of circumstances. Plus all those popular Marvel movies are boring formulaic and it's hard to understand why people even like them.
Nadal is strictly on this form to be a DC apologist.
They can do no wrong, everything bad that happens to them is because of circumstances. Plus all those popular Marvel movies are boring formulaic and it's hard to understand why people even like them.
Meh. There's far more Marvel fan boys in here, who both refuse to admit that anything Marvel makes is anything but high theatre and that some DC movies are good.
I don't think it's that so many people are Marvel fan boys, it's just that marvel makes better movies. It's not like the Marvel movies are crap and everyone comes up with excuses for them. When you look at the movies together as the MCU, you have to admit that Marvel is way better. The DCU doesn't really go together at all, their casting choices have been pretty bad overall where Marvel has nocked it out of the park on almost all of them. Overall, Marvel movies have been more enjoyable to most people, I think DC has been outright bad with their movies so far. I will openly say that I really like the DC tv shows (for the most part) and their animated movies are amazing.
It's just disapointing that when you look at what DC has to work with, they come out with this. You read the comics, watch the cartoons as a kid and play with the toys...as a kid... and you imagine what a real life movie could look like and then you compare it to what is done and you're just let down.
I remember watching Iron Man and just being excited for what would come next and then just being more and more excited for what they would do. Not so much witih DC. The Batman Trilogy came out and it was just amazing IMO, if they could have built on that I honestly think they could have been better than Marvel...they didn't. It was crap in comparison. There haven't been too many DC movies that I couldn't wait to see.
The caveat being that what Sony did with the Marvel movies was pretty bad IMO. The X-Men franchise has had 1 or 2 good movies and they just butchered Spiderman. I didn't mind the first Fantastic 4 movies but then the next reboot of it was just bad, like really bad.
Marvel movies also have some comedy in them, DC has been dark and brooding or at least tried to be and when they try to be funny it doesn't work well.
I will openly admit that Green Lantern is one of my guilty pleasures lol. It's terribad but I really like it.
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I'm still hoping that they follow Bloodshot and build a b-movie Valiant Universe.
I also just found out that they made a Ninjak vs. the Valiant Universe movie, in 2018! Has anyone seen this? I was done completely on the cheap for youtube.
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I just watched Demolition Man again the other day. A classic. Does WW84 have that level of satire?
Or are we talking the other kind of so bad it's funny? Like just pure badness and incompetence.
Yeah more of the second part, they definitely missed out on the satire side of things. It was based in 1984, but that was barely a plot point beyond the Steve Trevor wardrobe montage. I thought there would be some Orwellian connections, but nothing there. So many missed opportunities... especially considering they chose the perfect villain for a 1984 like atmosphere.
WW1984 what a mess. Re-watched the first movie before watching this one and the new one feels like it was made by different people.
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The movie has two intros for some reason. I didn't really like the Olympic intro. The kid is too young and the lesson (no shortcuts?) that it brings up has no pay off. Plus it's really long. I enjoyed the mall scene, it was fun and campy. I thought to myself, ok they are going for a different tone this movie, I am on board. Except the rest of the movie isn't like that at all. After watching that movie that scene seems so out of place. It would be an easy scene to cut, but then you don't have WW in the movie for the first hour and 20 minutes...
Which brings me to the next problem. Around an hour into the movie I said to my wife, what is the threat that WW needs to stop? It was clear that the wishing stone / max lord was going to be the villain but nothing had happened yet, there wasn't a threat or a problem to solve. Then the first major action scene in the movie isn't until over an hour and 20 minutes into the movie. Just brutal pacing and boring story telling.
Then there is the wishing stone. Once Lord turns himself into the wishing stone the movie became a muddled mess. It was really unclear what was happening. He was taking stuff from them, but it was also hurting him for some reason but he was lusting for more wishes/more powerful wishes? Then the movie just bites off too much off. There is a wall in Egypt and people can't get water, threat of nuclear war and now the whole world has made wishes. Just too much going on, and not focused. Chris Pine inhabiting another persons body was a super strange decision. Kristen Wiig's character arch took forever considering how simple and bad the pay off was.
I thought the whole ending was just a terrible mess. Especially how Lord just leaves and finds his kid in the bushes. lol. Really felt like a first draft or that a whole bunch things got changed as the movie got made. WW arc was that she could say goodbye to her boyfriend from 40 years ago that she knew for a month? Or that truth is the most important and matters the most above all blah blah.
I didn't really like Kristen Wiigs performance. The whole awkward person comedy is really stale to me. I wasn't really fan of Gal Gadot either, pretty flat performance as well. I thought she was better in the first one. Chris Pine was good, but honestly shouldn't have even been in this movie. Pedro Pascal I didn't really like either, didn't buy his performance.
Can't say I recommend the movie. Certainly don't pay to rent it or pay for an HBO subscription for it.
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I will state after watching parts of the movie, that Wiig and McCarthy kind of bore me in big screen movies. They play the same character in every single movie. When I see Wiig's name as a main actor, I pretty much say, here she comes playing the mousy socially awkward with a touch of smark character.
I'd really like to see her stretch out and try something different. She was really good in the NASA movie as a background character. Hidden Numbers or something like that.
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