10-14-2016, 08:18 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: SW
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God awful, condolences to his wife and kids.
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10-15-2016, 03:32 PM
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#42
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Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: On your last nerve...:D
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Pilot identified
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The pilot of the aircraft that crashed near Kelowna, B.C. late Thursday night has been identified as a former RCMP member who served as the Member At Large for the Airdrie Air Cadets.
Jim Kruk, a 62-year-old loving husband and father who lived in Airdrie, was among the four victims of the fatal crash.
Kruk’s family released the following statement on Saturday morning:
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Jim (KRUK) is dearly missed by his family and his lifelong friends in the Air Cadets, RCMP and aviation communities. Jim was a professional’s professional, meticulous and methodical in all his accomplishments. Jim was an avid aviator since 1976. After a full career and retirement from the RCMP, Jim pursued his true passion, aviation, which is only usurped by his dedication and love for his two sons Grayden (19) and Ryland (17), and devotion to his loving wife, Darlene..
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10-15-2016, 06:19 PM
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#43
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Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Calgary
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No black boxes. Plane not legally required to carry them.
Even sadder that we might not know what happened.
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10-15-2016, 06:36 PM
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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Originally Posted by Acey
No black boxes. Plane not legally required to carry them.
Even sadder that we might not know what happened.
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For an Av geek maybe, but for the rest of us the people dying would be the "even sadder" of the two.
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10-15-2016, 06:49 PM
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#45
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Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Calgary
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I'm not even sorry you somehow interpreted that statement to mean that the deaths are less significant or heartbreaking. It's ridiculous.
I'm sure even the families would like if the investigation could possibly prevent future plane crashes, and that is now compromised by the lack of recorders. Nothing more, nothing less.
I work in this industry and personally know people involved. For you to insinuate that is grossly insulting.
Last edited by Acey; 10-15-2016 at 06:55 PM.
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10-15-2016, 06:56 PM
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#46
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Celebrated Square Root Day
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I'm sure you didn't mean that way, I was just ribbing you, lol. You did literally say 'even sadder', though. Not sure what else that could be in relation to except their deaths, the way you wrote it.
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10-15-2016, 11:27 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: Calgary
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It's sad when someone dies. It's even sadder when someone dies and you never know exactly how / why it happened.
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10-16-2016, 06:26 AM
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I'm a little disappointed that folks just assume the cause of the crash will be undeterminable because the aircraft didn't have voice recorders.
Data recorders are just one piece of the puzzle.
Go read some accident reports at the transportation safety board website to get an idea of the many things investigators look at to determine the cause of a crash.
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10-16-2016, 10:15 AM
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#49
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Self Imposed Exile
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jayswin
I'm sure you didn't mean that way, I was just ribbing you, lol. You did literally say 'even sadder', though. Not sure what else that could be in relation to except their deaths, the way you wrote it.
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What a weird way to rip someone considering the thread.
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10-16-2016, 10:38 AM
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Uncle Chester
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Originally Posted by para transit fellow
I'm a little disappointed that folks just assume the cause of the crash will be undeterminable because the aircraft didn't have voice recorders.
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That's a weird thing to let disappoint you.
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10-16-2016, 05:57 PM
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#51
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Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by para transit fellow
I'm a little disappointed that folks just assume the cause of the crash will be undeterminable because the aircraft didn't have voice recorders.
Data recorders are just one piece of the puzzle.
Go read some accident reports at the transportation safety board website to get an idea of the many things investigators look at to determine the cause of a crash.
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I did say "compromised" not "undeterminable" which is not a word.
I'm curious as to your credentials so as to tell me the process of an air crash investigation, as if I didn't go to school to study black boxes. The investigation will be hampered by not having the boxes, but by no means is it impossible. That's what "compromised" means.
Last edited by Acey; 10-16-2016 at 06:04 PM.
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10-17-2016, 01:06 AM
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Retired
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This is pretty awful and it doesn't matter who was on board but when it is a public figure it sure makes you think, no matter who you are or what you do, life can end far quicker that you would ever expect.
A married couple with children lost both their fathers at once. Those children will not get to know their grandfathers. That's pretty sad. Not to take away from the others who lost family members on board, but to lose both sides of a family at once adds an element of greater loss.
The accident itself is going to be hard to figure out. No distress call or signal, a crash soon after takeoff, and it looks like it went nearly straight down judging from the short area of the debris.
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10-17-2016, 07:46 AM
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#53
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Delgar
The accident itself is going to be hard to figure out. No distress call or signal, a crash soon after takeoff, and it looks like it went nearly straight down judging from the short area of the debris.
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I stay away from speculation but the lack of distress call could simply be because the pilot had his hands full with the plane. There's an old saying in flying:
Aviate
Navigate
Communicate
Do everything in that order, don't "drop the plane to fly the mic".
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10-17-2016, 08:13 AM
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#54
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Join Date: Oct 2001
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Originally Posted by Hes
It was a well known Optometrist, Dr Ken Gellatly, that also died in the crash.
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A terrific human being. I've been going to his office since 1999. Always felt like an old friend, even if I went a few years between visits.
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10-14-2017, 01:07 AM
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#56
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Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: On your last nerve...:D
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Jim Prentice: 1956 - 2016
Jim Kruk: 1954 - 2016
Dr. Ken Gellatly: 1952 - 2016
Sheldon Reid: 1956 - 2016
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04-26-2018, 07:22 AM
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#57
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Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Calgary
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Bump: Heard on the radio this morning that today it is expected that the TSB will be releasing their final report on the crash.
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04-26-2018, 08:48 AM
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#58
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Honestly don't see how the report will have an details besides 'loss of control for unknown reasons'. No FDR or CVR so not much to go on unless they were able to find something in the wreckage which I suspect will not be the case.
It does appear to have some similarities to a Citation crash in Cleveland also in 2016. So maybe there is something there.
https://www.ntsb.gov/_layouts/ntsb.a...30X91745&key=1
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04-27-2018, 04:30 AM
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#60
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigtime
"New recommendation: Lightweight flight recording systems for private business aircraft and commercial aircraft"
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Nothing really "new". Seems like after every accident the same recommendations comes out.
They aren't wrong though.
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