[News] CSEC announces an income bridge support program for part time employees

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Hey Connor, It's Mess

It could very well have been their initial decision privately and it required the necessary leg work behind the scenes to set it up properly.

If this was their initial decision, I have to think this email would have been worded in a different way:

Spoiler!

[dissentowner]

I am good with it. The bottom line is they stepped up. Everything is good with my Flames universe again.

[Rando]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I am good with it. The bottom line is they stepped up. Everything is good with my Flames universe again.

No, that's not the bottom line. The bottom line is how they act before it went public. That shows their true nature.

These things are allowed to happen because we forgive far too easily.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Peter Hanlon emailed me back.

[STeeLy]

Had the Flames at first said that they were working on something that were going to assist the employees with the details to be released later, this would completely change the story.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Peter Hanlon emailed me back.

What did he say?

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

If it were up to me I'd still give the workers the GoFundMe money

There's no such thing as too much money in this instance

Oh absolutely. Is that not still happening?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Rando

No, that's not the bottom line. The bottom line is how they act before it went public. That shows their true nature.

These things are allowed to happen because we forgive far too easily.

Everyone can decide for themselves
But I generally view forgiveness as a good thing

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

What did he say?

Just that there was an announcement from CSEC and to check the news release when it comes out.

I’m guessing he had a few to respond to so this was sent en masse.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Peter Hanlon emailed me back.

..cool?

[devo22]

I'm glad they changed their minds. It's very disappointing that they didn't get this right from the start, but hey, better late than never.

[Infinit47]

Big props to the Flames players who donated. Without them I'm unsure if CSEC steps up, as they really helped draw attention tion to this. Plus they donated money which will go to charity, which is always a good thing. Donating to a GoFundMe that is critical of your employer is not the easiest of things to do.

Also, great work to everyone who donated, tweeted, emailed or called. This really made a difference.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Everyone can decide for themselves
But I generally view forgiveness as a good thing

You forgive people that apologize on their own, not so much if they are forced to do it.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Everyone can decide for themselves
But I generally view forgiveness as a good thing

Could not agree more. These are unprecedented times.

I know its no excuse, but as I said in the other thread its very possible not all of the owners were consulted on this. I doubt there was a conference call or meeting. This is the kind of thing a CEO does (maybe with guidance from Edwards as managing partner), and yup management screwed up.

I could be wrong but I am willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. There was a lot of social media piling on.

The Flames as an organization are fabulous corporate citizens and they will still have my full support.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Everyone can decide for themselves
But I generally view forgiveness as a good thing

This is a different situation than the many situations in life were forgiveness helps both parties move on and be better people.

This wasn't a mistake or oversight. This was "no we will not pay our employees with relative pocket change even though their lives will likely be altered in a major way over a couple months with no money, because we don't have to".

And the response wasn't "Oh man, we didn't know how much they'd be impacted by loss of wages or how little it would be out of our pockets". It was "Oh ****, we tried to sneak this through but it's blowing up on social media and reps are getting dozens of cancellation threats, now we have to do something. It sucks for us to be out this pocket change but let's just do it and shut everyone up".

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Rando

No, that's not the bottom line. The bottom line is how they act before it went public. That shows their true nature.

These things are allowed to happen because we forgive far too easily.

Most important thing is definitely how they act when they think nobody is going to notice, not doing the right thing in the first place is obviously huge. But at least the right thing got done in the end, huge props to the fanbase and players for forcing their hand.

But wtf am I gonna do, go cheer for Vegas insead because of this? Not likely. By the time hockey starts again this will probably be pretty much forgotten in my book

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by zamler

You forgive people that apologize on their own, not so much if they are forced to do it.

This is the "I apologize if we've offended anyone in any way, HOWEVER/BUT..." sort of apology, where they'll qualify the whys and wherefores & introduce justifications for crap behavior. IOW, not really an apology.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by jayswin

This is a different situation than the many situations in life were forgiveness helps both parties move on and be better people.

This wasn't a mistake or oversight. This was "no we will not pay our employees with relative pocket change even though their lives will likely be altered in a major way over a couple months with no money, because we don't have to".

And the response wasn't "Oh man, we didn't know how much they'd be impacted by loss of wages or how little it would be out of our pockets". It was "Oh ****, we tried to sneak this through but it's blowing up on social media and reps are getting dozens of cancellation threats, now we have to do something. It sucks for us to be out this pocket change but let's just do it and shut everyone up".

Yup, sums it up accurately IMO.

Said it prior, proud the players stepped up but uhhh, I'm really left with a sour taste in my mouth for the organization on the whole. Their other charitable causes are neat but also organizationally and league mandated. This was a moment to really show their colors and flopped.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Most important thing is definitely how they act when they think nobody is going to notice, not doing the right thing in the first place is obviously huge. But at least the right thing got done in the end, huge props to the fanbase and players for forcing their hand.

But wtf am I gonna do, go cheer for Vegas insead because of this? Not likely. By the time hockey starts again this will probably be pretty much forgotten in my book

My thoughts exactly.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Everyone can decide for themselves
But I generally view forgiveness as a good thing

I didn’t read the whole text. Did they apologize or ask for forgiveness?

Regardless I agree that it’s more important that they took the right actions, even if it was due to public shaming. If it’s important to you to know what is in their hearts, or whether the owners are people of integrity, I would consider all this a rather telling clue.