2018/2019 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[David Struch]

I wonder what the Rangers want for Hayes, isn't he their 2nd line centre?

[Flash Walken]

When you look at the hawks right now, Los Angeles, Anaheim, it gets harder to justify signing this core group after the end of their respective deals.

In my mind you target gaudreaus final contract year as the end of the window to compete before you need to reload.

The timing works with the age of the defense as conceivably valimaki, Andersson, hanifin, maybe kylington, are an established defensive group in their primes years (25-30).

An injection of young goal scoring talent by way of draft and prospect acquisitions via sell-off of Monahan and gaudreau is how you win multiple times with Tkachuk.

If there is a specific market one of those players wants to go and that market is interested then great, price goes up, but I'm not interested in this core group outside of tkachuk beyond their contract years.

[Flamenspiel]

Well, JG will be 29 when his next contract begins to take effect. At that point he has to be the final piece for a Stanley Cup contender, so either the Flames will be in the thick of it and you entertain re-signing him for his declining years or you trade him when he is 28. I would call him as a kind of Guy Lafleur like player in terms of his career trajectory as a winger and his impact on the game, Guy peaked at 28 and then began to decline(no longer an all-star) although still a very effective NHLer for another 4-5 years.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

When you look at the hawks right now, Los Angeles, Anaheim, it gets harder to justify signing this core group after the end of their respective deals...

And when you look at Washington, Pittsburgh and TB, it becomes all the more pertinent to keep your core players and try to win with them for as long as possible.

There are at least two cases to be made here. The path forward beyond 2022 is not all that clear—especially not today.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

And when you look at Washington, Pittsburgh and TB, it becomes all the more pertinent to keep your core players and try to win with them for as long as possible.

There are at least two cases to be made here. The path forward beyond 2022 is not all that clear—especially not today.

Yep, just because the the 3 struggling are struggling doesnt mean keeping your stars is a mistake, it means you need to supplement it with drafting well or finding good young players another way

Look at waahington last year, they finally won because they got an injection of a group of young difference makers, so that it wasnt all on ovie and backstrom

Same with pittsburgh, for years they had the depth down the middle, but crosby and malkin had no winger help, and kessel was a great pickup, but sheary and guentzel and rust contributions were the difference in their last cup win

From a flames perspective, in 2 or 3 yeara, giordano probably wont be a top pairing d man, he may even be left unprotected to seattle i saw a few people mention. Thats where the flames will need hanifin to make a leap, and someone like kylington or valimaki to replace him.

If you dont get the youth coming through thats when you turn into a chicago situation

The hawks issue isnt the cap, its that they dont have the supplements to help kane score outside debrincat

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

And when you look at Washington, Pittsburgh and TB, it becomes all the more pertinent to keep your core players and try to win with them for as long as possible.

There are at least two cases to be made here. The path forward beyond 2022 is not all that clear—especially not today.

Tampa?

Kuch is 25, point is 22, palat is 27.

Their oldest top 6 forwards are Tyler Johnson and stamkos who are both 28 and signed in their mid 20s.

Tampa has 1 forward on the roster over 30, callahan.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Flamenspiel

Well, JG will be 29 when his next contract begins to take effect. At that point he has to be the final piece for a Stanley Cup contender, so either the Flames will be in the thick of it and you entertain re-signing him for his declining years or you trade him when he is 28. I would call him as a kind of Guy Lafleur like player in terms of his career trajectory as a winger and his impact on the game, Guy peaked at 28 and then began to decline(no longer an all-star) although still a very effective NHLer for another 4-5 years.

Weird comparison. You are comparing JG to a player that smoked two packs of cigarettes a day and expect the same fall off?

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Weird comparison. You are comparing JG to a player that smoked two packs of cigarettes a day and expect the same fall off?

JG eats two packages of Skittles a day.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Makarov

JG eats two packages of Skittles a day.

And may or may not have found a way to turn them into purple liquid form.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by Makarov

JG eats two packages of Skittles a day.

Ah, I see. Two packets of Skittles is certainly as damaging as 50+ cigarettes.

[Phagoof]

Originally Posted by Makarov

JG eats two packages of Skittles a day.

Calories in, calories out, man, that is all the matters.

[Mattman]

There are two centers currently that I would take from two semi- underperforming teams in St. Louis and the Rangers.

Braden Schenn and Kevin Hayes.

Schenn - 25GP 7G 11A 18Pts -5 +/-
Hayes - 30GP 7G 14A 21Pts 6 +/-

With Backlund out, it is very clear that if we were to lose a center during the playoff's we would be screwed. As solid Janko and Ryan might be defensively they do not carry themselves the same way Backs does, he's a leader on this team. Having a 3rd center to really lock down that top 9 would make this team a stable winner. Not to mention having a legit center for Neal might finally get him going.

Both the Blues and Rangers are going through a period where selling players is definitely on their minds, but that only drives up the cost of them. What do you think it would take to acquire these fellas?


Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Backlund - Frolik
Bennett - Schenn/Hayes - Neal

[Bunk]

I totally agree that a 2/3 center is exactly what the Flames should be targeting at the trade deadline should they be looking good to make a spring run. Similar to what Winnipeg did last year trading for

Schenn and Hayes are good suggestions.

I'd think something like Jankowski + Kylington?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Bunk

I totally agree that a 2/3 center is exactly what the Flames should be targeting at the trade deadline should they be looking good to make a spring run. Similar to what Winnipeg did last year trading for

Schenn and Hayes are good suggestions.

I'd think something like Jankowski + Kylington?

I have zero interest in trading either of those players. The organization has put a ton of time into both, and I'm not keen to give them up for rentals. Especially with our goaltending.

This is not the year to go all in. We have no real presence at the WJHC, and most of our prospects are here. We need to keep the 1st round pick, and we need Jankowksi and Kylington to continue to progress and provide good cheap minutes.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Bunk

I totally agree that a 2/3 center is exactly what the Flames should be targeting at the trade deadline should they be looking good to make a spring run. Similar to what Winnipeg did last year trading for

Schenn and Hayes are good suggestions.

I'd think something like Jankowski + Kylington?

Picks. The currency for contending rosters is picks.

The flames will need janko and kylington for the playoffs.

I would trade a conditional 1st and 3rd for Hayes.

I'd move even more for schenn.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Picks. The currency for contending rosters is picks.

The flames will need janko and kylington for the playoffs.

I would trade a conditional 1st and 3rd for Hayes.

I'd move even more for schenn.

Hayes is a rental. You think that's the rate for a 2/3 C rental?

Schenn would have one more year.

[Phagoof]

If we could land Schenn, that would be a beauty.

Monahan
Schenn
Backlund
Jankowski

is an excellent center group.

I wouldn't want Hayes, he's a UFA and is gonna want like 6M. Unless he came for cheap that is, and was just a rental.

We would have to move out some salary from somewhere though. Frolik would be the most likely odd man out.

[SuperMatt18]

Yeah Schenn would be an ideal add IMO

Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm
Tkachuk- Schenn - Neal

That gives us two real scoring lines then.

Then you can use Bennett-Backlund-Frolik as your match up / defensive line and don’t have to worry about their offensive dry spells as much.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Tampa?

Kuch is 25, point is 22, palat is 27.

Their oldest top 6 forwards are Tyler Johnson and stamkos who are both 28 and signed in their mid 20s.

Tampa has 1 forward on the roster over 30, callahan.

Yeah, and when Gaudreau becomes a UFA before his 29th birthday Monahan and Lindholm will be 27, Tkachuk will be 24, and the Flames will have three or maybe even four top-four defensemen all under the age of 25. I think you are missing the point, which is that there is not some obvious magic number for this particular group to meet their full potential—at least, not yet. Like I said, there is more than just one way to do this.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Hayes is a rental. You think that's the rate for a 2/3 C rental?

Schenn would have one more year.

Ya,going rate for a top 6 player at the deadline is a 1st. Flames would make it conditional in either re-signing Hayes it making the conference final. Make the 3rd conditional on the same and turn it into a 2nd if the flames win the cup.

For schenn same deal but unconditional.