1. Centers- Monahan, Backlund, Jankowski, Ryan are about as good as any group of centers the Flames have had in 20 years at least. Still not necessarily one of the best groups in the league though
2. Johnny is a big time game breaker
3. Gio, Brodie, Hanifin can all put up points
4. Flames do not have much experience here. Neal certainly brings that to the table where Lindholm/Hanifin have never had a taste
5. Flames are not the biggest or smallest team out there.
Surprised an elite goalie is not part of the blueprint.
History has shown you can win with an average goalie. Niemi, Osgood, Tim Thomas just to name a few.
Tim Thomas had a .938 save percentage that season - the 4th best single season number in NHL history.
Then followed that up with a .940 save percentage in the playoffs.
Thomas at his peak for that 4-5 seasons stretch was much better than an "average goalie".
Even Osgood had some weird ability to step it up in the playoffs - he was a career .916 save percentage come playoff time. From that same era two of the best goalies ever in Roy (.918) and Brodeur (.919) had very similar numbers in the playoffs. He was very average in the regular season with only a .905 career save percentage in the regular season but came up big in the playoffs.
Niemi is the one that is decidedly average - but that Chicago Blackhawks team was stacked.
I'm not sure you need an "elite goalie" but you certainly do need "elite goaltending" for that playoff run. Even it if's just a guy riding a hot streak.
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Regular season, I agree.
Post season, I disagree. I don't feel his game translates well to the playoffs.
Tough to say that with his limited experience. He saved the Flames from a sweep to the Ducks in 2015. He was also huge during the World Juniors, NCAA tournaments, and was arguably one of the better 2-3 forwards at the World Cup.
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The juvenile part of me read the title and thought they were either talking about a person that model's athletic supports, or different models of athletic supports.
That being said, I think this is the model that a lot teams are striving towards right now. I feel like these things tend to go in cycles. When the Kings won their cups people wanted to emulate them, etc.
Seems like a pretty standard blueprint that teams around the league follow as well, with some small variations potentially.
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1. Centers- Monahan, Backlund, Jankowski, Ryan are about as good as any group of centers the Flames have had in 20 years at least. Still not necessarily one of the best groups in the league though
2. Johnny is a big time game breaker
3. Gio, Brodie, Hanifin can all put up points
4. Flames do not have much experience here. Neal certainly brings that to the table where Lindholm/Hanifin have never had a taste
5. Flames are not the biggest or smallest team out there.
Surprised an elite goalie is not part of the blueprint.
1. Agree that it looks to be one of the better groups in a while for the Flames as an organization but still doesn't say a lot (as you noted) about how deep they are compared to their peers. I'd suggest they're about middle of the league.
3. Giordano, yes and Hanifin appears to have the potential, but Brodie hasn't had that capability now for 3 seasons. He will need to make about as dramatic a turnaround as his turnaround after the Hamilton trade.
Tim Thomas had a .938 save percentage that season - the 4th best single season number in NHL history.
Then followed that up with a .940 save percentage in the playoffs.
Thomas at his peak for that 4-5 seasons stretch was much better than an "average goalie".
Even Osgood had some weird ability to step it up in the playoffs - he was a career .916 save percentage come playoff time. From that same era two of the best goalies ever in Roy (.918) and Brodeur (.919) had very similar numbers in the playoffs. He was very average in the regular season with only a .905 career save percentage in the regular season but came up big in the playoffs.
Niemi is the one that is decidedly average - but that Chicago Blackhawks team was stacked.
I'm not sure you need an "elite goalie" but you certainly do need "elite goaltending" for that playoff run. Even it if's just a guy riding a hot streak.
If you don't have an elite goalie, then you better have an elite 18 player group to make up for it. That, or a system that beats the other systems. Some teams win or get to the Cup Finals by one of the three. The Flames do not have an elite, goalie, they did not have a forward group that could score, and the system implemented by GG got us swept when we made the playoffs.
It really depends on the forward group and what system Peters wants us to do.
Seems like a pretty standard blueprint that teams around the league follow as well, with some small variations potentially.
1. Agree that it looks to be one of the better groups in a while for the Flames as an organization but still doesn't say a lot (as you noted) about how deep they are compared to their peers. I'd suggest they're about middle of the league.
3. Giordano, yes and Hanifin appears to have the potential, but Brodie hasn't had that capability now for 3 seasons. He will need to make about as dramatic a turnaround as his turnaround after the Hamilton trade.
Most of us agree that Brodie has struggled on the defensive side the last two years but he still puts up points. All three of those players finished in the top 52 for scoring from the backend last season. Brodie and Hanafin were tied with 8 other players for 44th with 32 points. I think that qualifies as having an offensive backend.
Seems like a pretty standard blueprint that teams around the league follow as well, with some small variations potentially.
1. Agree that it looks to be one of the better groups in a while for the Flames as an organization but still doesn't say a lot (as you noted) about how deep they are compared to their peers. I'd suggest they're about middle of the league.
3. Giordano, yes and Hanifin appears to have the potential, but Brodie hasn't had that capability now for 3 seasons. He will need to make about as dramatic a turnaround as his turnaround after the Hamilton trade.
Gio last 3 year = 56 points in 82 games, 39 points in 81 games, 38 points in 82 games = 0.54 pts per game
Hanifin last 3 seasons = 22 points in 79 games, 29 points in 81 games, 32 points in 79 games, 0.34 pts per game
Brodie last 3 seasons = 45 Points (70 Games Played), 36 points in 82 games, 32 Points (73 Games played) = 0.5 pts per game and in need of drastic turnaround.
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