DC Capitol Riot & Subsequent Fallout Thread (Jan 2021)

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

I don't have a parler account nor have I ever been on Parler but what's wrong with having been on parler?

Parler has a significant user base of Donald Trump supporters, conservatives, conspiracy theorists, and right-wing extremists.[8][9][10][11] Posts on the service often contain far-right content,[16] antisemitism,[23] and conspiracy theories such as QAnon.[27]

SOURCE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parler

I've never visited but does not sound like my cup o' tea.

[troutman]

Six hours of paralysis: Inside Trump’s failure to act after a mob stormed the Capitol

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...vtDDd3mSj74HBc

[81MC]

Gross world where people both care and share the homes of potential users of an app. It’s not illegal to be a conservative crack pot.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Yeah, given the current climate, sharing something that identifies homes of people with accounts on Parler is not good. I would think quite a few people joined out of curiosity, or joined out of wanting a conservative community or something but weren't themselves extreme or participating in promoting anything dangerous. You simply can't tell why someone joined or what they were doing from this, but people may make assumptions about neighbors, friends, coworkers, businesses etc. based off of this. I hope nobody who joined Parler merely out of curiosity or used it for harmless purposes ends up with their home being vandalized or suffering in some other undeserved way. I never joined, but I was certainly curious to see what was going on in that bubble.

Witch hunt versus slippery slope. There are people who went to Washington in the 6th to demonstrate and were not involved in the actual storming of the building. They were blocks away. Should they be lumped in with everyone? Identifying people on Parler and using it against them is really dangerous.

[Baron von Kriterium]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

I don't have a parler account nor have I ever been on Parler but what's wrong with having been on parler?

Nothing.

[PsYcNeT]

Note that it's not a map of users, it's a map of EXIF locations of videos uploaded by users; Parler was so poorly designed it did not wipe EXIF data off video uploads.

One would think that those uploading videos (I picture most of these are rants inside a truck cab while wearing Oakley's) puts you in a more engaged userbase but who knows.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Note that it's not a map of users, it's a map of EXIF locations of videos uploaded by users; Parler was so poorly designed it did not wipe EXIF data off video uploads.

One would think that those uploading videos (I picture most of these are rants inside a truck cab while wearing Oakley's) puts you in a more engaged userbase but who knows.

Makes sense. They only listed 44,000 accounts in the US, and I think the number was well into the millions.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Makarov

SOURCE: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parler

I've never visited but does not sound like my cup o' tea.

Not my cup of tea either, but having been on Parler or uploaded content to Parler in itself isn't a condemnation of a person. How someone used it and what they uploaded could justify a condemnation, but that should really be left to law enforcement. I don't feel that making this info public is ethical.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Note that it's not a map of users, it's a map of EXIF locations of videos uploaded by users; Parler was so poorly designed it did not wipe EXIF data off video uploads.

One would think that those uploading videos (I picture most of these are rants inside a truck cab while wearing Oakley's) puts you in a more engaged userbase but who knows.

It could be like here. People posting funny gifs.

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Not my cup of tea either, but having been on Parler or uploaded content to Parler in itself isn't a condemnation of a person. How someone used it and what they uploaded could justify a condemnation, but that should really be left to law enforcement. I don't feel that making this info public is ethical.

Shows how much Parler cares about their users privacy I guess. No real surprise.

These types of privacy issues don't mean much to most people though. It certainly hasn't hurt tiktok's popularity. Or Facebook. Or Instagram.

[firebug]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Note that it's not a map of users, it's a map of EXIF locations of videos uploaded by users; Parler was so poorly designed it did not wipe EXIF data off video uploads.

One would think that those uploading videos (I picture most of these are rants inside a truck cab while wearing Oakley's) puts you in a more engaged userbase but who knows.

Exactly.... So I'm sure shortly you'll be able to view the video that these individuals uploaded and then determine how they should be treated going forward.

I keep warning my kids that the internet never forgets...

[firebug]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

It could be like here. People posting funny gifs.

Not really... uploading a funny gif wouldn't include the exif data of the location you uploaded the gif from.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

I don't have a parler account nor have I ever been on Parler but what's wrong with having been on parler?

I don't have a Stormfront account nor have I ever been on Stormfront but what's wrong with having been on Stormfront?

Nothing apparently.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Shows how much Parler cares about their users privacy I guess. No real surprise.

These types of privacy issues don't mean much to most people though. It certainly hasn't hurt tiktok's popularity. Or Facebook. Or Instagram.

Wasn’t it the companies distancing themselves from Parler including whomever provided security, which ended up exposing this and making it easily hackable?

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Shows how much Parler cares about their users privacy I guess. No real surprise.

These types of privacy issues don't mean much to most people. It certainly hasn't hurt tiktok's popularity. Or Facebook. Or Instagram.

I don't know a lot about Parler, but my understanding from what little I've seen regarding this was that when they started getting dropped by other tech companies that provided services to them, it included being dropped by the company providing some aspects of security for their login and admin access, which resulted in all of this info becoming easily hacked.

[Lanny_McDonald]

The Parler meta data in conjunction with the data provided by the cellphone repeater in the Capitol are going to provide a very damning amount of evidence against individuals. The question about why its so bad to have been on Parler is it establishes membership in a group that engaged in a seditious action against the United States of America. Your membership has immediately made you a suspect in the acts that took place on the 6th. Once the data from the repeater is used to determine location of devices and ownership, your Parler history is going to be crucial in putting you in prison should you have made inflammatory statements on the site, then been present in the Capitol building. Your digital fingerprints build the case against you.

[Boreal]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Shows how much Parler cares about their users privacy I guess. No real surprise.

These types of privacy issues don't mean much to most people though. It certainly hasn't hurt tiktok's popularity. Or Facebook. Or Instagram.

Twitter vs Parler is much like Trump’s legal ability as President vs. Candidate.

With his executive orders he had some of the most skilled legal minds in the country enact his wishes.

As a candidate, clowns showed up to enact his phony claims of election fraud and we’re laughed away.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/20/o...e=articleShare

My job was to tailor the administration’s executive actions to make them lawful — in narrowing them, I could also make them less destructive. I remained committed to trying to uphold my oath even as the president refused to uphold his.

But there was a trade-off: We attorneys diminished the immediate harmful impacts of President Trump’s executive orders — but we also made them more palatable to the courts.

This burst into public view early in the Trump administration in the litigation over the executive order banning travel from several predominantly Muslim countries, which my office approved. The first Muslim ban was rushed out the door. It was sweeping and sloppy; the courts quickly put a halt to it. The successive discriminatory bans benefited from more time and attention from the department’s lawyers, who narrowed them but also made them more technocratic and therefore harder for the courts to block.

Unlike the Trump Justice Department, the Trump campaign has relied on second-rate lawyers who lack the skills to maintain the president’s charade. After a recent oral argument from Rudy Giuliani, Judge Matthew Brann (a Republican) wrote that the campaign had offered “strained legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative complaint and unsupported by evidence.” Even judges appointed by Mr. Trump have refused to throw their lots in with lawyers who can’t master the basic mechanics of lawyering.

After four years of bulldozing through one institution after another on the backs of skilled lawyers, the Trump agenda hit a brick wall.

Much like the Republican Party lawyers vs. the Justice Department... Parler’s security is a joke compared to Twitter.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by New Era

The Parler meta data in conjunction with the data provided by the cellphone repeater in the Capitol are going to provide a very damning amount of evidence against individuals. The question about why its so bad to have been on Parler is it establishes membership in a group that engaged in a seditious action against the United States of America. Your membership has immediately made you a suspect in the acts that took place on the 6th. Once the data from the repeater is used to determine location of devices and ownership, your Parler history is going to be crucial in putting you in prison should you have made inflammatory statements on the site, then been present in the Capitol building. Your digital fingerprints build the case against you.

This is ridiculous. Your activity will make you a suspect or it won't. Look how many members are on CP that are basically ghosts. It's the same on any site or social media service. Stop being dramatic.

[Barnes]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Wasn’t it the companies distancing themselves from Parler including whomever provided security, which ended up exposing this and making it easily hackable?

Umm no...

It was available through their public API. They also named uploaded assets sequentially so the first video was .../dir/video1.xyx and the second uploaded was ../dir/video2.xyx so pretty easy to scrape.

Anything 'deleted' wasn't removed form these asset locations, just hidden from the front end so scraping reveals everything.

It wasn't a hack, it's all available through the API or knowing where to look and form the appropriate URLS.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by New Era

The Parler meta data in conjunction with the data provided by the cellphone repeater in the Capitol are going to provide a very damning amount of evidence against individuals. The question about why its so bad to have been on Parler is it establishes membership in a group that engaged in a seditious action against the United States of America. Your membership has immediately made you a suspect in the acts that took place on the 6th. Once the data from the repeater is used to determine location of devices and ownership, your Parler history is going to be crucial in putting you in prison should you have made inflammatory statements on the site, then been present in the Capitol building. Your digital fingerprints build the case against you.

As an enforcement issue it's great, the concern is the privacy and social side, guilty by association.