MF YYC Politics - there, I mega did it

[Wormius]

Anybody here want to start one for Chu? I mean, I would totally front the cost if somebody did the grunt work of collecting signatures.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Wormius

Anybody here want to start one for Chu? I mean, I would totally front the cost if somebody did the grunt work of collecting signatures.

It does seem like it might be easier if the amount of signatures is 50% that voted in ward 4. You would need a hair under 15k. That seems doable in 60 days.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Wormius

It would be on brand if the petitioners were charged with violating privacy rules with respect to using the information the petitioner signers used. Assuming there wasn’t some other fine print involved.

How would you get charged with that when the person is knowingly and willingly giving their information?

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Slava

How would you get charged with that when the person is knowingly and willingly giving their information?

If they sell/transfer the information to a 3rd party I’d imagine that would be some form of privacy violation, the hard part is proving that they did it.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Slava

How would you get charged with that when the person is knowingly and willingly giving their information?

They are giving the information for the purpose of the recall, not to get berated with messaging about the Freedumb Convoy (not that these idiots will mind).

It's not really any different than a receptionist at a doctor's office using patient contact info (given for the purpose of communication with the clinic) for her MLM. Or perhaps a Health Minister using personal contact info (that is only given for HR purposes) to tearfully admonish doctors who have the audacity to point out his stupidity

[Looch City]

Watching seemingly sane people fall for this clear grift is so disheartening. Will sanity prevail or are we fast tracking to become Texas basically lol

[darockwilder]

Interesting that it looks like there are 6 paid positions that work 50-60 hrs a week. How is this thing funded?

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Robbob

It does seem like it might be easier if the amount of signatures is 50% that voted in ward 4. You would need a hair under 15k. That seems doable in 60 days.

The requirements is 40% of the population of the ward though which is 35k+ signatures. And only eligible voters can sign. I never understood why the requirement is calculated based on the total population and not the voting population.

[The Fisher Account]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

The requirements is 40% of the population of the ward though which is 35k+ signatures. And only eligible voters can sign. I never understood why the requirement is calculated based on the total population and not the voting population.

It's toothless legislation. They don't want you to actually be able to recall someone. They just want to give you the illusion of being able to.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

The requirements is 40% of the population of the ward though which is 35k+ signatures. And only eligible voters can sign. I never understood why the requirement is calculated based on the total population and not the voting population.

lol, okay then yeah it will never fly.

[puffnstuff]

Originally Posted by darockwilder

Interesting that it looks like there are 6 paid positions that work 50-60 hrs a week. How is this thing funded?

They run a private 'health care' company that drops people in wheelchairs off at hotels and lets them fend for themselves...probably.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by darockwilder

Interesting that it looks like there are 6 paid positions that work 50-60 hrs a week. How is this thing funded?

I'd imagine the War Room has made a sizeable contribution, but of course there is no way for us to really find out because our electorate repeatedly validates this blatant corruption.

[ThisIsAnOutrage]

Curious: How many posters in this thread have read the legislation that enables recall petitions and sets out the rules?

[Torture]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

The requirements is 40% of the population of the ward though which is 35k+ signatures. And only eligible voters can sign. I never understood why the requirement is calculated based on the total population and not the voting population.

Because Jason Kenney and the UCP were really unpopular at the time he brought it in and he didn't want to be recalled himself.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by ThisIsAnOutrage

Curious: How many posters in this thread have read the legislation that enables recall petitions and sets out the rules?

You made me look, and I found this...

Eligibility to canvass for signatures
5(1) An individual may canvass on behalf of an authorized
participant in respect of a recall petition only if
(a) the individual has, for a period of 3 months immediately
before the date of canvassing, been an elector in the
electoral division named in the recall petition, and
(b) the individual meets the prescribed eligibility
requirements, if any.
(2) A person or organization shall not, either directly or indirectly,
(a) accept any inducement or monetary benefit for canvassing
on behalf of an authorized participant, or
(b) provide any inducement or monetary benefit to an
individual who canvasses for the purpose of collecting
signatures for a recall petition.

https://docs.assembly.ab.ca/LADDAR_f...5_bill-052.pdf


Am I reading that wrong, or have they already breached the regulations they wrote themselves? Not that I should be surprised, but, ####, come on.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

You made me look, and I found this...



https://docs.assembly.ab.ca/LADDAR_f...5_bill-052.pdf


Am I reading that wrong, or have they already breached the regulations they wrote themselves? Not that I should be surprised, but, ####, come on.

IAMNAL but I think the rule is that you can't be paid to canvas but you can likely be paid for other things.

[Wormius]

It’s laid out a little better here:

https://www.calgary.ca/content/www/e...all.html#step1

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Wormius

It’s laid out a little better here:

https://www.calgary.ca/content/www/e...all.html#step1

This answers that question of whether they continue to count or shred it if it doesn't meet the threshold.

Elections Calgary will verify the petition within 45 days of the date the petition was submitted.

Elections Calgary will first count and verify that signatures total at least 40 per cent of the population in the Ward or Municipality.

Next, Elections Calgary will use a random statistical sampling method with a 95 per cent confidence level to determine the sufficiency of the petition. The verification process includes:

confirmation that each page of the recall petition contains the notice of recall petition,
confirmation that only original signatures have been collected,
a review of each signature line to ensure that the required information was provided (name, physical address, contact information, date, signature), and
confirmation that each signature has an accompanying signature from an adult witness, that to the best of their knowledge the person they are witnessing signing a recall petition is eligible to do so, and that the witness signed the required affidavit.
Incomplete or invalid signatures are screened out and are not included in the final count. If it becomes clear during any part of the verification process the final count will not meet the 40 per cent threshold, no further verification is done.

[Fuzz]

Sounds like, in theory, they can't use the info collected for any other purpose. In practice? We know investigations drag on for years with perpetrators getting off scot-free, so there is probably little risk to accidentally photocopying everything.

[MoneyGuy]

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