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Old 10-16-2020, 10:54 AM   #41
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Good contract. Is he still an RFA at the end? If so that's a bonus.
According to Cap Friendly, he is.

I like this deal for both sides. Avoids the bad blood of arbitration, and gives Mangi 2 years to develop, and then (hopefully) justify a big salary jump.

I'd love to offload Ryan, and reallocate that money into the UFA/RFA market, but I just don't see a deal, even for a 3rd or 4th round pick.

A couple more years of cap jail for the Flames, then Gio is gone, the buyouts are finished, and the Looch deal will be in the home stretch. Of course, then you have to re-up Chucky, Johnny (I think he will still be here) and others. I guess the cycle never ends...
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Old 10-16-2020, 10:55 AM   #42
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Really like the player, he just keeps getting better. Great drafting and developing too but his attitude certainly helps.
When Mangiapane played his first ten games in Calgary I honestly thought he would never become a NHL player. It just goes to show that one shouldn't count young players out too early. I really like this deal for both sides.
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Old 10-16-2020, 10:55 AM   #43
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That's a great AAV for two years. Nice deal.
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Old 10-16-2020, 10:57 AM   #44
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This means the Flames are pretty much at the cap.

If you sign Kylington for $800k and fill the roster with young NHL minimum contracts (Gawdin, Phillips, Mackey), we have $127k in cap space.

FORWARDS (13)
Right wing: Elias Lindholm ($4,850,000) - Dillon Dubé ($778,333) - Glenn Gawdin ($700,000) - Matthew Phillips ($733,333)
Centre: Sean Monahan ($6,375,000) - Mikael Backlund ($5,350,000) - Derek Ryan ($3,125,000) - Sam Bennett ($2,550,000)
Left wing: Matthew Tkachuk ($7,000,000) - Johnny Gaudreau ($6,750,000) - Milan Lucic ($5,250,000) - Andrew Mangiapane ($2,425,000) - Buddy Robinson ($700,000)

DEFENSE (7)
Right: Rasmus Andersson ($4,550,000) - Christopher Tanev ($4,500,000) - Oliver Kylington ($800,000)
Left: Mark Giordano ($6,750,000) - Noah Hanifin ($4,950,000) - Juuso Välimäki ($894,166) - Connor Mackey ($925,000)

GOALTENDER (2)
Jacob Markström ($6,000,000) - David Rittich ($2,750,000)

BUYOUTS (2)
Troy Brouwer ($1,500,000) - Michael Stone ($1,166,667) (Man this $2.6M would be nice to be able to improve our bottom 6 forwards)

DETAILS
Roster Size: 22
Salary Cap: $81,500,000
Cap Hit: $81,372,499
Cap Space: $127,501

Feels like there is going to be a 2-1 type of deal coming here...
We don't NEED to always carry 7 D and 13F though.

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800+k available still
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Old 10-16-2020, 10:58 AM   #45
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Good deal.

Rfa contracts are treliving's strength.
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Old 10-16-2020, 10:58 AM   #46
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Old 10-16-2020, 11:01 AM   #47
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We don't NEED to always carry 7 D and 13F though.

I got:




800+k available still
We will need that as the bare minimum.

You want at least 1 spare F & D.

It would be extremely risky to only have one scratched player.
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Old 10-16-2020, 11:02 AM   #48
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We shall see how this ages.
Who cares really. They didn't buy into your and Wilson's belief, instead did the right thing. Not the wrong thing. Just like last year, tree wasn't going to budge on the QO for him. This year, no massive buy in.

If he becomes a top 6 like you and Wilson believe, theyll figure it out.
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Old 10-16-2020, 11:05 AM   #49
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"Andrew Mangiapane, signed 2x$2.4M, is a top six two-way forward who started the season in tiny minutes and earned a 2nd line spot with superb two-way play and efficient goal scoring."

https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/sta...412361728?s=20

"CGY have signed their RFA Andrew Mangiapane to two-year deal with $2,425M AAV.

He is very good all-round forward with solid on-ice impacts and scoring."

https://twitter.com/HockeyStatsCZ/st...393641985?s=20

I'm very happy the Flames were able to lock up a great young forward at such a good price. I predict he'll provide great value over the next two years.

I wish they could've signed him long term, but this definitely helps the salary cap situation right now.
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Great deal.

I 100% would've preferred an Andersson-type extension but the Flames simply didn't have the space.

Keeps him RFA but risks the chance of him going to arbitration and walking to UFA.

There is zero doubt in my mind that Mangiapane will completely outplay the contract
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Old 10-16-2020, 11:06 AM   #51
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I would have preferred a 6 year deal with a bit higher AAV, however the Flames are right up against the cap and likely couldn't make that work.
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Andrew is a small guy and he plays a hard game. I think a longer term deal could be risky
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Old 10-16-2020, 11:10 AM   #53
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Good contract. Is he still an RFA at the end? If so that's a bonus.
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Who cares really. They didn't buy into your and Wilson's belief, instead did the right thing. Not the wrong thing. Just like last year, tree wasn't going to budge on the QO for him. This year, no massive buy in.

If he becomes a top 6 like you and Wilson believe, theyll figure it out.
Andrew Mangiapane is already a top-six forward.
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Brad is an absolute beast with RFA signings.

Great deal for the team and in two years Eat bread going to get paid.
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I hope the next contract he signs is $5 million plus/year!
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Old 10-16-2020, 11:15 AM   #57
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We will need that as the bare minimum.

You want at least 1 spare F & D.

It would be extremely risky to only have one scratched player.
This is a good point, especially this year as our farm team would be relatively inaccessible for immediate call ups (2 week quarantine would presumably be required?)

It leads me to another thought- I wonder if there will be some cap flexibility granted for clubs to carry extra "scratched" players to avoid this problem. Obviously we would want most of our players still getting playing time in the AHL, but if we could park a few vets in a "scratch" pool where they have to be reactivated to play due to injury or something and didn't otherwise count against that cap it would be a huge benefit.
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I thought he would get more than Bennett (2.55).

I am sure his next contract will be close to double this AAV, assuming the cap goes back up in two years.
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Andrew Mangiapane is already a top-six forward.
And the team was essentially forced to go bridge deal or else trade someone


They didn’t “do the right thing”, it’s a trade off
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And the team was essentially forced to go bridge deal or else trade someone


They didn’t “do the right thing”, it’s a trade off
Yeah, exactly. I also would have preferred something like Andersson's deal, but that just was not possible under the Flames's current cap constraints.
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