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Old 10-12-2020, 06:36 PM   #21
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That’s too high a cap for Calgary. Vancouver is using the money they were saving for OEL.
True, though it's only 1.4m more than Tanev. I guess in a perfect world we don't sign Tanev and do this deal instead.
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Old 10-12-2020, 06:36 PM   #22
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Well just like it was pointed out in the other thread that Tanev is better than Forbort, Gus and these other guys signing cheap deals, we can also say Schmidt is better than Tanev.

But Flames didn't have cap space to be able to do a deal like this so point is moot.

For Van, this seems like a better outcome than OEL, doesn't it?
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They just got a #2 dman for a 3rd round pick. Not sure Vancouver are the ones I'd call dumb here
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For Van, this seems like a better outcome than OEL, doesn't it?

Infinitely.
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I'd rather have Schmidt than Tanev...
Straight up, definitely. But at $5.95M, it's a different argument.
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Often injured, 30~40 points for 6 million? I think I'd rather Tanev imo.
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Straight up, definitely. But at $5.95M, it's a different argument.

Is it?


Edit - Looking into it, I'd say they're about even. They're the right amount for both players.
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Straight up, definitely. But at $5.95M, it's a different argument.
Tbh I didn't realize Schmidt is 29. Thought he was like 26.

That changes things a bit for sure.
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Old 10-12-2020, 06:39 PM   #29
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Straight up, definitely. But at $5.95M, it's a different argument.
5.95Mx5

so there is an extra year too...around the same age

Also M-NTC
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Is it?


Edit - Looking into it, I'd say they're about even. They're the right amount for both players.
Yes
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Old 10-12-2020, 06:40 PM   #32
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Straight up, definitely. But at $5.95M, it's a different argument.
Not really from the Canucks perspective, they had an asset that analytics said had been declining for two years. They did not re-sign that asset. They then fluked out into a great deal because Vegas did not do their trading business in advance.
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Not really from the Canucks perspective, they had an asset that analytics said had been declining for two years. They did not re-sign that asset. They then fluked out into a great deal because Vegas did not do their trading business in advance.
So Schmidt, who is one year younger, is immune to the rigors of age, unlike Tanev?

Let's try to be fair and impartial here.
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So Schmidt, who is one year younger, is immune to the rigors of age, unlike Tanev?

Let's try to be fair and impartial here.
I never mentioned age, I said that Tanev has been declining according to analytics for the last two years.
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Not really from the Canucks perspective, they had an asset that analytics said had been declining for two years. They did not re-sign that asset. They then fluked out into a great deal because Vegas did not do their trading business in advance.
I suspect Schmidt's analytics will decline this season in Vancouver Vs. playing in Vegas

5.95X5 and a 3rd rounder
Vs.
4.5x4

A lot of Apples and oranges, every deal needs to be treated like Tre passed on it for some reason

The guy has a M-NTC too, likely wasn't even an option
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I never mentioned age, I said that Tanev has been declining according to analytics for the last two years.
His ice-time has been pretty much identical for the last 4 years. So Green doesn't agree with you.

People put way too much stock into this or that particular analytic to support a narrative.
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Meh. Not sure how if you're Winnipeg or Vancouver you can't do these deals. Otherwise Vegas still gets Pietrangelo and deals good players to the other conference. Then you still have to contend with Vegas and you haven't strengthened your team either.


Not that it makes Benning smart. He could have kept Toffoli and Stecher and probably been better without giving up the 3rd.
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Schmidt is a lefty as well; good pick up by Vancouver after whiffing on a lot of their own UFA’s

I’m still taking Tanev at 4x4.5 and not giving up a 3rd versus Schmidt and his contract and giving up a 3rd
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His ice-time has been pretty much identical for the last 4 years. So Green doesn't agree with you.

People put way too much stock into this or that particular analytic to support a narrative.
Hamonic's ice time went up each year with the Flames, so I guess he improved each year? Ice time is usually reflective of the fact that a coach has to put someone on the ice, not necessarily whether the person they put on the ice is any good.
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