Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community
Old 10-12-2020, 02:24 PM   #1
sureLoss
Some kinda newsbreaker!
 
sureLoss's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
Exp:
Icon35 Isles trade Devon Toews to Avs for 2021 2nd and 2022 2nd

New York Islanders @NYIslanders
now
#Isles Transaction: The team has acquired the Colorado Avalanche’s second round selections in the 2021 and 2022 NHL Drafts, in exchange for defenseman Devon Toews.
__________________
Media from: @NHLGIFs, @Sportsnet960, @NHL, @NHLFlames
sureLoss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2020, 02:26 PM   #2
topfiverecords
Franchise Player
 
topfiverecords's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: randomrectangleland
Exp:
Default

Damn Avs. Go away.

Wonder why NYI wanted to trade him? I know they need some cap room but he’s a solid player.
topfiverecords is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2020, 02:26 PM   #3
TheScorpion
First round-bust
 
TheScorpion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: squeaking
Exp:
Default

Isles learning about the perils of terrible UFA signings the hard way.

$8m for Pageau and Komarov.
__________________
Writer for FlamesNation.ca | Podcast host | CPHL New York Islanders GM | "A worse version of Kent Wilson, who is a complete buffoon"
TheScorpion is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2020, 02:27 PM   #4
AustinL_NHL
Powerplay Quarterback
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Exp:
Default

Joe Sakic does it again.

Holy s*** that guy needs to be banned from hockey so the rest of the league stands a chance.

When's the last time he made a move that didn't look like an immediate win??
AustinL_NHL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2020, 02:29 PM   #5
Jeff Lebowski
First Line Centre
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL View Post
Joe Sakic does it again.

Holy s*** that guy needs to be banned from hockey so the rest of the league stands a chance.

When's the last time he made a move that didn't look like an immediate win??
Probably when a lot of fans thought he was the worst GM in the league - which wasn't that long ago.

Sakic makes his moves when he wants to, not when fans and players want the changes. Yzerman same way.
Jeff Lebowski is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Jeff Lebowski For This Useful Post:
Old 10-12-2020, 02:31 PM   #6
AustinL_NHL
Powerplay Quarterback
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Exp:
Default

It's actually ridiculous how dominant the Avs are looking.

Being serious, is Joe Sakic a better GM than he was a hockey player? His last couple years specifically have been phenomenal. Like Jesus I love every move that guy makes.
AustinL_NHL is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to AustinL_NHL For This Useful Post:
Old 10-12-2020, 02:34 PM   #7
Hells Bells
First Line Centre
 
Hells Bells's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: PEI
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL View Post
It's actually ridiculous how dominant the Avs are looking.

Being serious, is Joe Sakic a better GM than he was a hockey player? His last couple years specifically have been phenomenal. Like Jesus I love every move that guy makes.
Until they shore up the goaltending situation, I don't see them dominating anything to be honest.

Also, watching the Avs a lot over the last couple years, I sense they are missing some jam to their lineup, which wasn't addressed at all by trading away Zadorov.

Not knocking any of Sakic's moves, just don't see the Avs as any kind of powerhouse.
__________________
Hells Bells is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2020, 02:36 PM   #8
SuperMatt18
Franchise Player
 
SuperMatt18's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
Exp:
Default

They have a great analytics staff in Colorado that Sakic listens to.

Really good pick up of a 26 year old who is a strong all around dman.
SuperMatt18 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to SuperMatt18 For This Useful Post:
Old 10-12-2020, 02:37 PM   #9
ResAlien
Lifetime In Suspension
 
ResAlien's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Exp:
Default

The Avs are basically what the oilers would be if they were built by a slightly competent GM. They can fly but their defence is still a bit suspect. Grubauer has to prove he’s a legit starter who can stay healthy for a year. If they can get both of those fixed they’ll be dominant but for now they’ll stay as a lot of flash that racks ups points. They should be doing anything and everything they can do to get pietroangelo in there that would be massive.
ResAlien is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2020, 02:39 PM   #10
Nelson
Powerplay Quarterback
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Exp:
Default

Joe Sakic is a genius. He’s patient, calculated and decisive.

Girard - Johnson
Toews - Makar
Graves - Cole

That is a great defence, and the Avs have Timmins and Byram in the system.

If they get a goalie, watch out. I predict they get MAF.
Nelson is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Nelson For This Useful Post:
Old 10-12-2020, 02:39 PM   #11
AustinL_NHL
Powerplay Quarterback
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hells Bells View Post
Until they shore up the goaltending situation, I don't see them dominating anything to be honest.

Also, watching the Avs a lot over the last couple years, I sense they are missing some jam to their lineup, which wasn't addressed at all by trading away Zadorov.
I mean, the scary thought is that they could realistically get better in net, but last year they had the 3rd highest 5v5 Save Percentage in the league with Grubauer and Francouz both ranking in the top 20 in the NHL for GSAA.

Francouz had a very rough playoffs after Grubauer got hurt, but overall their goaltending wasn't a problem at all.

Toews is a significantly better D-man than Zadorov, not to mention the incoming talent of Byram and Timmins
AustinL_NHL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2020, 02:42 PM   #12
Enoch Root
Franchise Player
 
Join Date: May 2012
Exp:
Default

I am not entirely sold on Toews. Trots has a way of making defensemen look competent.

Also, Zadorov out, and Toews in. I don't see where creaming over Sakic is warranted here, but ok.
Enoch Root is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to Enoch Root For This Useful Post:
Old 10-12-2020, 02:43 PM   #13
FlamesAddiction
Franchise Player
 
FlamesAddiction's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
Exp:
Default

Is Devon Toews really that good though?

Two 2nd rounders seems like a lot for him to me. If the 2014 draft was re-done in hindsight, I could see him being drafted in the 2nd round I guess, but there are still some decent free agents out there too that are probably at his level and could be had for cheap.
__________________
"A pessimist thinks things can't get any worse. An optimist knows they can."
FlamesAddiction is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2020, 02:47 PM   #14
TheScorpion
First round-bust
 
TheScorpion's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: squeaking
Exp:
Default

Yes. Devon Toews is a very good top-pairing defenseman who's only 26. Don't see anyone like that on the market right now.
__________________
Writer for FlamesNation.ca | Podcast host | CPHL New York Islanders GM | "A worse version of Kent Wilson, who is a complete buffoon"
TheScorpion is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2020, 02:48 PM   #15
Scroopy Noopers
Pent-up
 
Scroopy Noopers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Ontario, on my backhand.
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction View Post
Is Devon Toews really that good though?

Two 2nd rounders seems like a lot for him to me. If the 2014 draft was re-done in hindsight, I could see him being drafted in the 2nd round I guess, but there are still some decent free agents out there too that are probably at his level and could be had for cheap.
RFA compensation for him is right around either a 2nd, or a 1st and 3rd. If he is signing for $4.3mil plus, this is a great trade.
Scroopy Noopers is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2020, 02:48 PM   #16
Aarongavey
First Line Centre
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Exp:
Default

So the Islanders who were screwed and were not going to be able to match Toes arbitration award and risked losing him for nothing were still able to get two 2nd rounders for him. Makes sense, there is always a team willing to give up assets to definitely get the good player.
Aarongavey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2020, 02:50 PM   #17
bax
First Line Centre
 
bax's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Exp:
Default Isles trade Devon Toews to Avs for 2021 2nd and 2022 2nd

Landeskog - Mackinnon - Rantanen
Saad - Kadri - Burakovsky
Jost - Compher - Donskoi
Calvert - Bellemare - Nichuskin

Toews - Makar
Girard - Johnson
Graves - Cole
Byram - Timmins

Grubauer
Francouz

Jealous.
bax is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2020, 02:52 PM   #18
AustinL_NHL
Powerplay Quarterback
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Enoch Root View Post
I am not entirely sold on Toews. Trots has a way of making defensemen look competent.

Also, Zadorov out, and Toews in. I don't see where creaming over Sakic is warranted here, but ok.
I would argue that because Toews played for the Islanders, he's very underrated. The guy is a stud:

https://twitter.com/user/status/1315751506025549824

https://twitter.com/user/status/1315754372295462912

In his two years in the league, his relative stats are as follows:

(Left = 2018-19, Right = 2019-20)

CF%: 6.35/5.06
FF%: 6.22/4.73
SF%: 6.79/4.80
SCF%: 4.89/6.41
HDCF%: 6.36/5.36
xGF%: 8.53/5.12

That's on top of ranking as a top pair/middle-pair with his offensive rates. At the very least, Toews is an elite #3 D-man.

Again, the guy is a stud.
AustinL_NHL is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2020, 02:53 PM   #19
New Era
Lanny or not Lanny?
 
New Era's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Exp:
Default

Does Devon Toews move the needle that much? I get their need for some veteran help on the blueline, but is he it? I don't know.
New Era is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-12-2020, 02:57 PM   #20
gvitaly
Scoring Winger
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Exp:
Default

I think it is a somewhat risky deal for Colorado as well. He is a very good defenseman, and he is eligible for arbitration. I am also pretty sure he is a UFA after this season. I could be wrong though. It comes down to the ability of Colorado to extend Towes long term, despite him only having two seasons in the league.

If we consider that it is Colorado's window to win, then Towes definitely fits that for this year.
gvitaly is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:49 PM.

Calgary Flames
2019-20




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright Calgarypuck 2016