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Old 06-17-2020, 12:12 PM   #21
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Dude. WTF are you even talking about?
What part is confusing you?
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Old 06-17-2020, 12:13 PM   #22
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In what world do they leave his car there and not immediately put out additional units to find him?
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Old 06-17-2020, 12:13 PM   #23
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What part is confusing you?
The part where you think that any cop is just going to watch him run away and be like "oh well, guess he got away, lets go get a coffee".

Like, you are jumping to all of the most ridiculous conclusions here.
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If you shoot someone for making you run, you'll get a lot of co-workers come to help you move the car.
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Old 06-17-2020, 12:15 PM   #25
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Which video? Because the first one I saw was the one that starts while he's being handcuffed, and just shows the resisting arrest / assault part. The second one I saw shows what led up to it and his conversation with the officers. My initial reaction was more favourable to the police as a result (though I was nowhere near as certain as you seem to be that the shooting was excusable), but if you see the conversation beforehand and see the whole incident in its full context, it becomes pretty clear that the guy wasn't some violent maniac who needed to be shot.
Until he took the weapon from the police, assaulted the police, ran and turned and fired it at them.....
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Dude. WTF are you even talking about?
Give the guy a break, he clearly forgot tow trucks exist

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Until he took the weapon from the police, assaulted the police, ran and turned and fired it at them.....
Again, which one of these are executable offences?

This is so baffling to me that anyone thinks shooting someone in anything other than self defence of life is acceptable.
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Again, which one of these are executable offences?

This is so baffling to me that anyone thinks shooting someone in anything other than self defence of life is acceptable.
You're aware that police have guns as well, not just tazers? If he's already demonstrated the ability to steal a weapon and use it on a cop in that same interaction, why is it suddenly such a leap to suggest it wouldn't happen again?
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Old 06-17-2020, 12:20 PM   #29
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Until he took the weapon from the police, assaulted the police, ran and turned and fired it at them.....
Even there, in my judgment, he's probably not going to hurt a member of the public with it. He's basically just trying to get away from the police. I mean you can see their conversation with him, he's coherent, can form rational thoughts. He just really, really doesn't want to be arrested, which is certainly grounds for an assault charge or two, but the question is whether it was a justified use of force to shoot him while he tries to escape.

It used to be acceptable to shoot fleeing suspects who don't stop running away when you yell "freeze", or "stop or I'll shoot", but it isn't anymore. On the whole, while recognizing some of the potential issues it might cause that I identified when this was first brought up, and subject to certain exceptions, I'm fine with that change in procedure.
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Old 06-17-2020, 12:22 PM   #30
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You're aware that police have guns as well, not just tazers? If he's already demonstrated the ability to steal a weapon and use it on a cop in that same interaction, why is it suddenly such a leap to suggest it wouldn't happen again?
If we're going to start executing people based on a bunch of hypotheticals, we might not need to worry about the overpopulation of the earth.

Give your head a shake man. The guy was already running away.
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You're aware that police have guns as well, not just tazers? If he's already demonstrated the ability to steal a weapon and use it on a cop in that same interaction, why is it suddenly such a leap to suggest it wouldn't happen again?
Lol. I'm not gonna continue this conversation. You are jumping to the most random conclusions.

Yeah, what if all of the White Karen's in the world became homicidal maniacs. That one almost did that one time, so we better execute them all right now before they come back later and finish the job....


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Old 06-17-2020, 12:25 PM   #32
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You're aware that police have guns as well, not just tazers? If he's already demonstrated the ability to steal a weapon and use it on a cop in that same interaction, why is it suddenly such a leap to suggest it wouldn't happen again?
Someone who gets pulled over for going 30 over the limit clearly has no disregard for the law. If they will put other motorists and pedestrians in danger like that, who's to say they wouldn't kill a cop?

If you let a guy like that go with just a ticket, who's to say they won't speed as soon as they are out of site, putting more lives in danger?

The only safe thing is to shot them in the face when you ask for their license and registration.
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Yeah, what if all of the White Karen's in the world became homicidal maniacs. That one almost did that one time, so we better execute them all right now before they come back later and finish the job....
Hmm... actually this might be a good plan.
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ok some good points have been made and im prepared to alter my stance to:
-the drunk driver was an ####### and endangered peoples lives
-the cops should have chased after him and not shot
-but i understand why they did in the heat of the moment and dont think they should go to jail for murder
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Old 06-17-2020, 12:31 PM   #35
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ok some good points have been made and im prepared to alter my stance to:
-the drunk driver was an ####### and endangered peoples lives
-the cops should have chased after him and not shot
-but i understand why they did in the heat of the moment and dont think they should go to jail for murder
I'd be shocked if anyone disagreed with you on the first two points.

As for the last one, it's a tough job that relies on people to make very quick decisions in the heat of the moment. This officer, in my opinion, proved he can't be counted on to make those decisions. This situation was likely created by the mere fact of him passing the recruitment process, or a failure in his training.

It's clear he should no longer be a police officer. But firing him or putting him in jail does nothing to solve the problem that led to this man losing his life unnecessarily.
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There were so many innocent bystanders, another big issue that isn't being raised here is, what if this cop missed while shooting this guy? What if they hit and killed an innocent bystander.

There is a reason why cops in most places are no longer allowed to go on high speed pursuits as it puts the general public in danger. This trigger happy ######bag not only killed a drunk dude who was running away, but put everyone in the area in danger by shooting his gun for no good reason.

If this dude ran away and they let him go and impound his car, literally no one gets killed or even has the chance of being seriously injured.

This cop pulling his gun put not only the suspect in danger, but everyone around them.

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He fired his gun 3 times at a person running away in a crowded parking lot. He's lucky he only murdered 1 person.
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One of the shots even hit one the cars in the drive thru line up.

When I saw this I immediately thought of the COP in Toronto that arrested the man who was hitting pedestrians with the van. The guy tried to fake pull a gun to get the cop to shoot him, the cop noticed immediately it wasn’t a gun and made peaceful arrest.

In this situation the police would know straight away that the guy didn’t have a gun given the lead up. Perhaps the cop had thought the guy had stolen his gun and not the taser but it should click in that it wasn’t his gun when he pulled it out and shot the guy. These police were not in mortal harm and that guy did not deserve to be shot.
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You're aware that police have guns as well, not just tazers? If he's already demonstrated the ability to steal a weapon and use it on a cop in that same interaction, why is it suddenly such a leap to suggest it wouldn't happen again?
So people should be executed for something they "may" do?
Dude...
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ok some good points have been made and im prepared to alter my stance to:
-the drunk driver was an ####### and endangered peoples lives
-the cops should have chased after him and not shot
-but i understand why they did in the heat of the moment and dont think they should go to jail for murder
Boy if "it was the heat of the moment" becomes a justification for why someone shouldn't go to jail for murder - we are f'd.
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