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Old 10-16-2020, 10:26 PM   #2701
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More from Canadaland on the WE Charity and its operations over seas. More and more looks like this thing was more about shuffling money, irregularities and luxury real estate then anything else.


https://www.canadaland.com/we-charity-in-kenya/
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Old 10-17-2020, 07:56 AM   #2702
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There is clearly something there otherwise why would the liberals be trying so hard to contain it.

I was shaking my head at the hypocrisy of many liberal mp’s On Friday on Twitter as they were calling for that one member of the CPC to be fired because he commented on
Kamala H not being black enough. All I could think of was that your boss did blackface so many times he can’t remember and that was a teaching moment, but a conservative makes a comment and that is a firable offence? Give me a break....talk about treating the public like idiots.
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There is clearly something there otherwise why would the liberals be trying so hard to contain it.

I was shaking my head at the hypocrisy of many liberal mpís On Friday on Twitter as they were calling for that one member of the CPC to be fired because he commented on
Kamala H not being black enough. All I could think of was that your boss did blackface so many times he canít remember and that was a teaching moment, but a conservative makes a comment and that is a firable offence? Give me a break....talk about treating the public like idiots.

Not to defend the Liberals, because they're garbage, but every political party is hypocritical. Just like sports. Everything is okay as long as it's done by your team. Everything the other team does is completely reprehensible.
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Not to defend the Liberals, because they're garbage, but every political party is hypocritical. Just like sports. Everything is okay as long as it's done by your team. Everything the other team does is completely reprehensible.
Well that's partially true but statements like this let the Liberals off the hook. Justin's Liberals have been pretty historic in their levels of corruption and scandals. What other PM has a list of transgressions so long? From groping women, blackface, WE, SNC, Aga Khan vacation, etc it's kind of horrifying that some Canadians can just shrug their shoulders. IMO Justin has been extremely fortunate that lightning rods like Trump (most Canadians seem more fixated on US politics) and COVID have coincided with his dictatorship. History though will not be kind to him when we look back.
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There are different levels and frequency of scandalous behavior, and the Conservatives don't even come close to the Liberals. Although we are led to believe the opposite, I believe the press, although quite subtle in their approach, is largely responsible for stifling healthy debate, and making the Liberals less accountable for their actions. I think the press also shares responsibility for the "they all do it" mentality, which is more prevalent in the East, where the voting power resides.

It seems that the Liberals have become masters in terms of using the press to their advantage. I guess one of the questions I have is why don't the Conservatives fight fire with fire and do everything possible to cultivate a more friendly attitude to the press in general. I might be wrong, but the way I see it, defunding the CBC is not the way to accomplish this.
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There are different levels and frequency of scandalous behavior, and the Conservatives don't even come close to the Liberals. Although we are led to believe the opposite, I believe the press, although quite subtle in their approach, is largely responsible for stifling healthy debate, and making the Liberals less accountable for their actions. I think the press also shares responsibility for the "they all do it" mentality, which is more prevalent in the East, where the voting power resides.

It seems that the Liberals have become masters in terms of using the press to their advantage. I guess one of the questions I have is why don't the Conservatives fight fire with fire and do everything possible to cultivate a more friendly attitude to the press in general. I might be wrong, but the way I see it, defunding the CBC is not the way to accomplish this.
Of course not. What the Conservatives need to do is take a page out of the Liberal Playbook.

Fund the hell out of the CBC and plant as many favourable employees within that organization as possible.

Everyone knows that the best method of indoctrinating the populace is to control the media, the Conservatives should be making the CBC into Canada's version of Pravda.

Unfortunately the Liberals beat them to it.
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Not to defend the Liberals, because they're garbage, but every political party is hypocritical. Just like sports. Everything is okay as long as it's done by your team. Everything the other team does is completely reprehensible.

How many times did Justin talk about transparency and honest government and doing better then the Cons, it was a major plant in his first election and a major selling point.


Turns out that he's far far worse then Harper not only in the honesty department, bit in the ethics department.
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How many times did Justin talk about transparency and honest government and doing better then the Cons, it was a major plant in his first election and a major selling point.


Turns out that he's far far worse then Harper not only in the honesty department, bit in the ethics department.
I tell my American friends that voting left doesnít mean voting for less corruption or transparency. We are proof positive.

Vote left for whatever reason, but Justinís Liberals are proof positive that all these politicians tell people what they want to hear so they can steal their wallet.

The left doesnít own moral superiority, no more than the right. I have learned that over time.
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Well, as long as O'Toole and the conservatives don't #### up the next few years, hopefully the electorate punishes the Trudeau and the Liberals bad enough for their blatant corruption and disregard for morals. The citizens ultimately have to hold the government accountable.
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I tell my American friends that voting left doesnít mean voting for less corruption or transparency. We are proof positive.

Vote left for whatever reason, but Justinís Liberals are proof positive that all these politicians tell people what they want to hear so they can steal their wallet.

The left doesnít own moral superiority, no more than the right. I have learned that over time.
Frankly...I have to say that my cynicism has been dialed up to 11.

I want to support the less fortunate and minorities, but I wanted to do it intelligently in an economically stable and viable way.

But we obviously dont care about any of that anymore so spend away! And if you need to siphon some off for your own personal gain I guess thats just a cost of doing the business of Government.
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Frankly...I have to say that my cynicism has been dialed up to 11.

I want to support the less fortunate and minorities, but I wanted to do it intelligently in an economically stable and viable way.

But we obviously dont care about any of that anymore so spend away! And if you need to siphon some off for your own personal gain I guess thats just a cost of doing the business of Government.
Cheer up...things were much worse 40 years ago in Alberta when Justin's Dad sprang the NEP on us. It was developed by a 30 year old person that had just written his PhD on socialism in some foreign country. He was later sent to France to study nationalizing our banks. Thankfully this did not happen.

$19 million dollars flew out of the country the first week.

Untold millions were spent on drilling in the Beaufort sea, and not a drop of oil or gas has been produced since.

Many people lost their jobs and were selling their house for one dollar to get out of their mortgage.

My house at the time dropped in value by 30%.

Interest rates were in the high teens, so you had better not be carrying much debt.

The Federal Government were short of money, and offered each person a chance to invest $20,000. from their RRSP to earn 20% over one year.

All the perks in owning a small company e.g. company car, entertainment etc. were negatively affected overnight, with a budget brought down by the Liberal's Marc Lalonde.

The metric system doubled the amount of work I had to do as a geologist. IMO we should never have changed to metric before the US, as we do 80% of our business with them.
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Cheer up...things were much worse 40 years ago in Alberta when Justin's Dad sprang the NEP on us. It was developed by a 30 year old person that had just written his PhD on socialism in some foreign country. He was later sent to France to study nationalizing our banks. Thankfully this did not happen.

$19 million dollars flew out of the country the first week.

Untold millions were spent on drilling in the Beaufort sea, and not a drop of oil or gas has been produced since.

Many people lost their jobs and were selling their house for one dollar to get out of their mortgage.

My house at the time dropped in value by 30%.

Interest rates were in the high teens, so you had better not be carrying much debt.

The Federal Government were short of money, and offered each person a chance to invest $20,000. from their RRSP to earn 20% over one year.

All the perks in owning a small company e.g. company car, entertainment etc. were negatively affected overnight, with a budget brought down by the Liberal's Marc Lalonde.

The metric system doubled the amount of work I had to do as a geologist. IMO we should never have changed to metric before the US, as we do 80% of our business with them.
Look here you....it'll be a cold day in Hell before I tolerate anyone besmirching the Metric System!
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Well, as long as O'Toole and the conservatives don't #### up the next few years, hopefully the electorate punishes the Trudeau and the Liberals bad enough for their blatant corruption and disregard for morals. The citizens ultimately have to hold the government accountable.

There's a lot at stake, I believe that if the Liberals win a 4 year majority with Trudeau at the helm that they will economically disintegrate this country, and its likely that there will be a huge rise in regionalism in this country. With so many incompetent morons as ministers like McKenna, Saijan, Hadja and on an on, combined with a Prime Minister who got his economic theory from a pop up book, and doesn't like to work that hard, the damage that could be done to investment and the toll in terms of taxation with things like the Clean Energy tax that's coming in while they boost the carbon tax it will be a hard country for the middle and lower class to survive in. Not to mention a Deputy PM, that seems to be ok with everything Justin does and has a wacky idea of how economics work.


Really what the Liberals need to do is lose and lose royally and purge the Trudeauites out of the party and reform their party.
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How many times did Justin talk about transparency and honest government and doing better then the Cons, it was a major plant in his first election and a major selling point.


Turns out that he's far far worse then Harper not only in the honesty department, bit in the ethics department.

I wouldn't disagree with any of that. I find the Liberals to be as corrupt as everyone points out, which is why I specifically said I was not defending them. But the hypocrisy of Liberal MPs criticizing any other party for something they would do is not particular to the Liberals, is all my point was.


Of all the terrible, corrupt, disgusting things they do, this one is just par for the course, and standard political discourse nowadays.
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Surprised that this hasn't been touched on, but the Nova Scotia Lobster dispute between the Mi'kmaw and the non Indigenous Fisherman in the area that has erupted in violence and arson.

The RCMP tried to do the same approach as they did with the railway protesters which was sit on their thumbs and hope it goes away. Now there have been multiple fires and threats of violence.

The dispute boils down to the interpretation of the right to livelihood, and has lead to off season and unlicensed fishing by indigenous fisherman, which has lead to the Yield from the area in terms of lobster dropping massively by over 50%. The Fisherman's union claims that they reached out to Bill Blair earlier this year and were rebuffed, and they reached out to the Minister in charge of Fisheries and were rebuffed.


This is a decent breakdown of the issue, and the conflict between the two sides.

https://www.flare.com/news/nova-scotia-fishing-dispute/

Now Perry Bellegarde is asking for Military Intervention. Which is the worst idea.

How about the RCMP do their job, they've been dismal for years.

1) Stood by and let protestors grind this country to the halt during the illegal rail blockades
2) This dispute
3) When they went to demand documents from the PMO's office concerning the WE scandal, and the SNC Lavalin Scandal, the PMO told them they wouldn't cooperate, and the RCMP limped off and did nothing.
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It is being discussed here:


https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showth...180684&page=15
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Looks like the Libs really like the fillibuster strategy, as they are now doing a fillibuster in the health committee that's trying to get answers on the governments response to Covid and specifically the rapid testing kit fumble, and that the government is refusing to show where specific Covid contracts and money are going.
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Just watching the PC with Blair and Miller and the Fisheries industry this morning, you get a sense that they have no idea where the issues and anger come from. This goes back to the Fisheries spokesperson talking Friday and saying she tried to call Blair and the Fisheries industry earlier this year to air their issues and warn them that things were escalating and being rebuffed.



There literally needs to be nation to nation talks in this issue and a discussion around off season fishing that's happening and filling out the definition of moderate living as defined by the Supreme Court.



The RCMP really needs to be investigated on their work in this and the railway blockades among other thing. If the RCMP is going to remain as a viable and respected national police force it needs to be completely revamped and reformed.
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The Libs are literally daring the opposition to vote against them based around the WE farce. If the Cons put forward their bill in the house on a anti-corruption committee, where all We business can go, the Libs might make it a confidence vote.


Of course the NDP will sell out again because they're broke, and deep down they know they'll be exterminated in a election




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Just watching the PC with Blair and Miller and the Fisheries industry this morning, you get a sense that they have no idea where the issues and anger come from. This goes back to the Fisheries spokesperson talking Friday and saying she tried to call Blair and the Fisheries industry earlier this year to air their issues and warn them that things were escalating and being rebuffed.



There literally needs to be nation to nation talks in this issue and a discussion around off season fishing that's happening and filling out the definition of moderate living as defined by the Supreme Court.



The RCMP really needs to be investigated on their work in this and the railway blockades among other thing. If the RCMP is going to remain as a viable and respected national police force it needs to be completely revamped and reformed.
No, it needs to be arms length from the government so they canít tamper or influence operations. The Commissioner is a deputy minister in the government of the day, that needs to change so the force is independent of government.
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