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Old 07-01-2019, 03:00 PM   #1041
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At this stage, replacing Frolik with Ferland would be an acceptable change.

Still, not a significant upgrade on the 2nd line is disappointing.

If the flames bank on progression over last year's offence, i think they will be in for a rude awakening...
If the Flames can dump Frolik and Stone (maybe buyout for him?) then sign Ferland for 3-3.5M for 2-4 years and trade Brodie for Kadri I would be happy with those moves.
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Old 07-01-2019, 03:01 PM   #1042
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Has Pontus Aberg signed yet?

I'd like the Flames to sign him for speedy RW depth.
this is the one I'm hoping for, as well... if not, maybe Pominville or Williams on a cheap, 1-yr deal
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Old 07-01-2019, 03:10 PM   #1043
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^Is he reliable? I would like Ferland back for sure for the right price.

Then all we would need to do is trade Frolik, get Kadri in a trade and then dreams would come true.
Gaudreau-Monahan-Ferland
Tkachuk-Kadri-Czarnik
Bennett-Backlund-Lindholm
Mangiapane-Ryan-Jankowski

damn, that'd be too good and too deep to be true.

Frolik and Neal can't just be poofed away though.
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Old 07-01-2019, 03:10 PM   #1044
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Bradley needs to fetch a winger and a good one with Hathaway on his way out. That line was important to their success in the second half.

Or do Brodie for Kadri already.
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Old 07-01-2019, 03:11 PM   #1045
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Gaudreau-Monahan-Ferland
Tkachuk-Kadri-Czarnik
Bennett-Backlund-Lindholm
Mangiapane-Ryan-Jankowski

damn, that'd be too good and too deep to be true.

Frolik and Neal can't just be poofed away though.
Our best RW by a country mile is on your third line
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Our best RW by a country mile is on your third line
Our best defensive RW by a country mile is on my shutdown line.
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Old 07-01-2019, 03:14 PM   #1047
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Our best RW by a country mile is on your third line
Phil Kessel was Pittsburgh's best RW.

Spreading talent throughout the lines is a good way to go.
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Old 07-01-2019, 03:15 PM   #1048
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Gaudreau-Monahan-Ferland
Tkachuk-Kadri-Czarnik
Bennett-Backlund-Lindholm
Mangiapane-Ryan-Jankowski

damn, that'd be too good and too deep to be true.

Frolik and Neal can't just be poofed away though.
It's hilarious you slot 78 point Lindholm down to the 3rd line. That's the 2nd or 3rd time youve done that in your mock line ups. Makes no sense. How in the 9 blue hell's does Czarnik of all people slot high than him. And then right off the top line replace by Ferland who NEVER and will likely ever succeed the way Lindholm has.

The Ferland stupidity is just that. Stupid.
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It's hilarious you slot 78 point Lindholm down to the 3rd line. That's the 2nd or 3rd time youve done that in your mock line ups. Makes no sense. How in the 9 blue hell's does Czarnik of all people slot high than him. And then right off the top line replace by Ferland who NEVER and will likely ever succeed the way Lindholm has.

The Ferland stupidity is just that. Stupid.
Balanced lines? Multiple threats throughout the lineup?

Holy over-reaction. Bennett-Backlund-Lindholm would be an awesome line.

People get too hung up over slotting. Crosby plays with filler on his line every year. Doesnít mean theyíre the best wingers on the team or that the Crosby line is somehow not #1. Sometimes successful teams balance their lineup.
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What is with all the Ferland love? He's not a top line player at all and is incredibly streaky and injury prone.
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Phil Kessel was Pittsburgh's best RW.

Spreading talent throughout the lines is a good way to go.
My issue with the lineup is Czarnik in the top 6. He is a replacement level player at least out Neal there who has a history of top 6 production
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Sounds like Anders Lee is nearing a deal... Wouldn't surprise me if he's back wearing the 'C' for the #Isles, but we shall see shortly
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Balanced lines? Multiple threats throughout the lineup?

Holy over-reaction. Bennett-Backlund-Lindholm would be an awesome line.

People get too hung up over slotting. Crosby plays with filler on his line every year. Doesn’t mean they’re the best wingers on the team or that the Crosby line is somehow not #1. Sometimes successful teams balance their lineup.
In this instance its blatantly misguided. There's no way that Ferland and Czarnik provide better production balance than having what was it, the 2nd or 3rd best line in hockey broken up, just because.

Using pittsburgh is equally misguided. Wheres our Malkin?

There's no scenario where the Flames find better success without that top line production unless there's a better or equal player than Lindholm coming in to help with that. Czarnik or Ferland or even Neal are not that. By a lengthy margin.

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Old 07-01-2019, 03:27 PM   #1054
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Somehow the Flames need to get a 2nd line offensive centre.
Hopefully that can happen if they are able to move out a veteran defenceman.
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In this instance its blatantly misguided. There's no way that Ferland and Czarnik proved better production balance that having whay was it, the 2nd or 3rd best line in hockey broken up, just because.

There's no scenario where the Flames find better success without that top line production unless there's a better or equal player than Lindholm coming in to help with that. Czarnik or Ferland or even Neal are not that. By a lengthy margin.
Right, balancing sometimes means lowering the production of one line as a whole, while raising the production of another.

Itís not just because. You donít need a player equal to Lindholm to create balance. Thatís increasing the overall production by a lot, which would be ideal, but unfeasible. Seeing if balance can increase it a little bit, or spread out the scoring, is the obvious goal.
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Somehow the Flames need to get a 2nd line offensive centre.
Hopefully that can happen if they are able to move out a veteran defenceman.
2C or 2RW. That's how they're gonna take another step forward. Offense dried up when line 1 wasn't clicking and Tkachuk can't elevate two streak middle six defence first guys on his own. Need to get him some help and we've needed that move for a year now.
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Balanced lines? Multiple threats throughout the lineup?

Holy over-reaction. Bennett-Backlund-Lindholm would be an awesome line.

People get too hung up over slotting. Crosby plays with filler on his line every year. Doesnít mean theyíre the best wingers on the team or that the Crosby line is somehow not #1. Sometimes successful teams balance their lineup.
Sure but you canít play Monahan with filler like you can with Crosby
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Right, balancing sometimes means lowering the production of one line as a whole, while raising the production of another.

Itís not just because. You donít need a player equal to Lindholm to create balance. Thatís increasing the overall production by a lot, which would be ideal, but unfeasible. Seeing if balance can increase it a little bit, or spread out the scoring, is the obvious goal.
It's also about a style/role balance.

A Bennett-Backlund-Czarnik/Neal line would not be able to shut anyone down. So instead you have to ask Tkachuk-Kadri to take on tough matchups. Yes, they can do it, but the goal was to get Tkachuk away from checking the MacKinnons and such so that he can score on the Josts and such.

A Tkachuk - Kadri - Neal line would be overwhelmingly slowfooted on the wings. Czarnik's skillset is perfectly complementary to Tkachuk and we saw that last year when they played together, but Czarnik couldn't handle the tough checking duties assigned to the Backlund line.

Gaudreau-Monahan-Ferland was statistically not much worse than Gaudreau-Monahan-Lindholm at five on five. The numbers bear this out:

GMF
53.15% CF
59.19% GF

GML
54.05% CF
59.39% GF

If that's the "dropoff" for making another line much stronger... it's common sense.
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Sure but you canít play Monahan with filler like you can with Crosby
Gaudreau is hardly filler.
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