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Old 06-16-2020, 01:03 PM   #3001
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I can see how ethnicity is useful in some forms, such as medical diagnosis. And skin tone can be useful as a descriptor, such as describing a suspect, or even if you are meeting someone. Brown hair, light skin, 5'10, that type of thing. But perhaps a universal skin tone system should be devised, where it is recorded on a non-biased scale, a fact like height or weight. This could assist in things like facial recognition where systems fail because they are trained on white faces. Oh, your a C7? Well we'll use the AI trained on C7 tones then.


There is the Fitzpatrick scale for skin tones.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitzpatrick_scale




And the von Luschan as well:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Von_Lu...hromatic_scale



I researched that when learning to do acid peels ( trichloroacetic acid) on my face lol.

I’m a Fitz II. It’s interesting. My friend Dean from Nigeria is pretty much a von Luschan 36. His wife is a Fitz II like me. I call them Othello and Desdemona. Their kids are gorgeous.

And yes, a lot of skin whitening products come out of Asia. Koreans are big on DIY skin whitening. A YouTubed I follow (NaturalKaos) gets lots of her products from Korea. They are obsessed with skin care, especially whitening.
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Thanks, I'm pretty good at coming up with ideas someone has already done. But maybe these should be applied universally? It would help separate descriptions from the race argument.
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I agree. It would be interesting to see how lighting/WB , etc would effect the AIs accuracy if they did apply a color scale.

I only know about the scale because I’m vain ;( . Otherwise probably wouldn’t.
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Hal Johnson, co-host of the BodyBreak PSAs with his now-wife Joanne MacLeod, recently posted a video on YouTube where he said the series wasn't originally created to promote physical fitness but was instead a Trojan horse to address racism in Canada.

Hal had earlier applied for a job at TSN. The producers loved his on-air personality and even offered him a position, but they subsequently withdrew the offer because senior management said "we already have one black reporter" (as if there's a limit). When he pitched the BodyBreak idea to TSN a few years later, they were again very enthusiastic and receptive, but they said they couldn't air a segment featuring a black man and a white woman. They'd only pick up the series if Hal agreed to be replaced with a white man. Instead, Hal and Joanne took their idea to the federal government, who agreed to fund the series of PSAs without re-casting a white man in Hal's place. They subsequently produced dozens of segments which have been seen by millions of Canadians over the years.

That’s a great story but am I the only one who didn’t know he was black? He looks pretty racially ambiguous to me. Anyway I’m glad he was able to overcome discrimination to become a success.
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There is the Fitzpatrick scale for skin tones.
Not the important takeaway, but "Never burns" for dark skin they say. Good lord.

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I mean, how is Meghan Markle "black"?
Is Obama black?
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I hate to say it but my dad is racist, especially against South Asian and Aboriginal people, and he openly admits it. I’ve dated women from both groups and never told him about it. I don’t know what his reaction would be. The relationships didn’t get to the point where they would be introduced anyway.

I’ve tried to confront his prejudices and I think he’s getting better. He loves Indian food (he requested it for Father’s Day) and I’ve never seen him be racist towards anyone to their face, but he’ll still use the “P” word to refer to them when they’re not around.

He also recently said, “I have no time for Natives”, which is a sentiment shared by way too many Canadians. It makes me sad.

My mom is much better and not hateful at all. When I was little I was playing with some other kids. While doing “Eeny, meeny, miny, moe” instead of saying “catch a tiger by the toe” I used the N word. I don’t know who I heard that from but my mom yelled at me and made me come inside on a beautiful summer day. She told me it was a bad word and I’ve never really used it since (ok, once but that was with a black friend and he was cool with it).

This was tough to write but I felt it needed to be said. In closing, #### racism.
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Not the important takeaway, but "Never burns" for dark skin they say. Good lord.

Is Obama black?
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Something fun I used to like doing is showing people this picture and hearing them not believe that it is Obama's mother.

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Something fun I used to like doing is showing people this picture and hearing them not believe that it is Obama's mother.

I can see the resemblance. He has her chin and mouth and ears.
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Not the important takeaway, but "Never burns" for dark skin they say. Good lord.



Is Obama black?

Yep. That is interesting.

I worked at the post office as a letter carrier and the majority of my coworkers were black.

Just about everybody used sunscreen. It was fun to see the difference in skin tones on the exposed vs unexposed areas. And yes there were all kinds of crazy jokes about not really being dark enough without the tan, etc. But the jokes were reserved for friends. We would say things to each other that were definitely not for public consumption.


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Just about everybody used sunscreen. It was fun to see the difference in skin tones on the exposed vs unexposed areas. And yes there were all kinds of crazy jokes about not really being dark enough without the tan, etc. But the jokes were reserved for friends. We would say things to each other that were definitely not for public consumption.
Yeah I'm not that dark, relatively... maybe 29/30 on whatever that scale is but darker than the Type 5 girl. I definitely tan but not like white people whose tan lines look like clothing.
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There is the Fitzpatrick scale for skin tones.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitzpatrick_scale
I'm so very much Type 1. But I beg to differ on the tanning. If my freckles get close enough together, it looks like a shade of tan.

The joke in my house is that I can get sunburn off the light in the oven.
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Something fun I used to like doing is showing people this picture and hearing them not believe that it is Obama's mother.

How about his half-sister?

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I'm probably going to be fighting with this later on. My wife is Vietnamese and we have 2 young daughters, and the discussion about them dating in high school has already come up. She flat out said she doesn't want them dating black guys, which threw me back quite a bit when it first came up. She isn't super racist, has black friends, blah blah blah, but there is some deep cultural #### in Asian families about dating/marrying anyone with dark skin. It irritates the hell out of me and if/when it comes down to it I will side with my daughters 100% on who they want to see and will fight that battle for them, but that's not for another 15 years or so, so hopefully I can undo some of those deep set prejudices
Personal experience from me. I'm Chinese and my father, who is in his 70s has also voiced similar things throughout my childhood. My mother would never agree, but also never voiced her disagreement. Well, I'm grown up now and my last girlfriend is Haitian Canadian. I've dated girls before of African ancestry before but nothing as serious as the recent one which prompted me to tell my parents about the gf. To my surprise, when I informed my dad of my girlfriend's ancestry, he was happy for me. I told him what a relief it was and I was worried he'd be upset with me, which in turn made him sad. He said he just wants me to be happy with whoever that is and owned up to how he shouldn't have said those things. In the end, most parents just want their kids to be happy and your wife will hopefully feel the same way.
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Man arrested after protester is shot during demonstration over conquistador statue in New Mexico

In a video of the rally, shots could be heard as protesters tried to remove a statue of conquistador Juan de Oñate.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...exico-n1231140

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https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-ne...icles-n1231176

They're coming for the conservatives!

Better scrub the archives because Google will remove monetization from ad sites.


Even this thread has wrongthink.

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I'm so very much Type 1. But I beg to differ on the tanning. If my freckles get close enough together, it looks like a shade of tan.

The joke in my house is that I can get sunburn off the light in the oven.

Lol. I’m kind of a 1.5. Living in Florida has messed me up, but the skin on my stomach is stark white.Doing those TCA peels is really doing wonders to remove damage. I can’t believe it. But they’re not entirely painless.

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Yeah I'm not that dark, relatively... maybe 29/30 on whatever that scale is but darker than the Type 5 girl. I definitely tan but not like white people whose tan lines look like clothing.
I have a similar skin tone to Shemar Moore, just wish I was as handsome.

I think it confuses people that I can be both biracial and still have both of my parents born in South Africa.
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There are allot of shades of white on that chart, I could be 4, 6, 9, 10, 11, it's pretty hard to say. Once again us white people getting all the options.
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