2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors v2

[Roof-Daddy]

I'm sold. Trade for Murray if the Pens have to protect Fleury and can't trade him without consent, etc.

The Stars pick if it transfers (27th, 28th, 29th or 30th overall) and McDonald.

[CMPunk]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Actually it wasn't Wilson that said it

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by CMPunk

Actually it wasn't Wilson that said it

Thanks, Memory is a bit rusty. Could have sworn Wilson also said this to Tim a lot. But Al makes the most sense after you posted that.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Sorry don't get the Tim reference. Murray is an elite prospect and although he has less NHL experience than Schneider had, I suspect his value will be comparable.

If the Flames end up with the 8th pick in the draft I would not blow my brains out if they flipped it for Murray. Am I over rating him?

You're grossly over rating him. Beware guys that are 6'4 and under 180 pounds. Form fitting goaltending equipment could hurt this kid. There are hockey sticks with better physiques. The goon in hockey disappeared quickly, and the shot blocker goaltender could go the same way. I'm skeptical of these bean poles. I'd assume some risk, but not a first round pick, not when there are teams that will be I similar straights to move goaltenders.

[VladtheImpaler]

There are not enough buyers and the teams HAVE to trade these goalies. They will take a 3rd for MAF and be thrilled.

[Erick Estrada]

IMO if the draft lottery goes by the odds and the Flames end up with the 7th pick they should shop it to the Penguins for Murray. By 7 the Flames are likely in the 3rd tier forwards and none of the defensemen in this draft look like they are can't miss and the organization is full of middle/bottom tier defensemen as-is.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

There are not enough buyers and the teams HAVE to trade these goalies. They will take a 3rd for MAF and be thrilled.

A Wideman for Fleury swap makes sense if both waive the NMC. I could see both agreeing to do so. Fleury gets a starters job with an up and coming team. Wideman gets a shot to put up big numbers playing with the offensive forwards on Pitt. Daley has looked good in Pitt perhaps Wideman would also do well

Fleury could also just refuse to waive and force the Pens to trade Murray

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

IMO if the draft lottery goes by the odds and the Flames end up with the 7th pick they should shop it to the Penguins for Murray. By 7 the Flames are likely in the 3rd tier forwards and none of the defensemen in this draft look like they are can't miss and the organization is full of middle/bottom tier defensemen as-is.

Sorry, EE - I think you are nuts on this one.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

IMO if the draft lottery goes by the odds and the Flames end up with the 7th pick they should shop it to the Penguins for Murray. By 7 the Flames are likely in the 3rd tier forwards and none of the defensemen in this draft look like they are can't miss and the organization is full of middle/bottom tier defensemen as-is.

Personally i would be okay with this of we didn't have Gillies. Since we do have Gillies I would rather not trade what would be our top prospect for a young goalie.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

Sorry, EE - I think you are nuts on this one.

Nope. Murray is only 21 years old (younger than Gillies and already playing in the NHL). The Flames could be looking at a guy that could be the franchise netminder for over a decade. That's easily worth Chychrun, Juolevi, McLeod, etc as these guys don't scream "game changer" to me and a starting goaltender that's a consistent .920 SV% does. It's not like he hasn't shown in the NHL that his godly AHL numbers won't translate to his NHL career.

Conversely the Flames could trade for MAF or sign Reimer and continue on the road since Kipper retired forever looking/hoping for that elusive starting goaltender.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Personally i would be okay with this of we didn't have Gillies. Since we do have Gillies I would rather not trade what would be our top prospect for a young goalie.

Gillies injury set him back too far to be considered as a fall back option in the immediate future. If he comes back healthy he's starting his AHL career next season and who knows how smooth that goes or how long that takes before he's NHL ready? Besides worst case is the Flames have two really good goaltenders which is a good problem to have.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I don't care if Radulov is a sweet cherry pie. I want him on the Flames.

you want a player that was more worried about partying than being ready to play in the playoffs? Thank Christ you are not Treliving

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by New Era

You're grossly over rating him. Beware guys that are 6'4 and under 180 pounds. Form fitting goaltending equipment could hurt this kid. There are hockey sticks with better physiques. The goon in hockey disappeared quickly, and the shot blocker goaltender could go the same way. I'm skeptical of these bean poles. I'd assume some risk, but not a first round pick, not when there are teams that will be I similar straights to move goaltenders.

Hmmm... Your hyperbole kind of reduces the strength of your argument. I'm in no way convinced we are headed to a major change in goalie equipment but ok.

Thanks to those that explained the Home Improvememt reference. I didn't watch it much but my Dad liked it. After having the reference explained, I remember my Dad saying I don't think so Tim as a joke. So thanks for the nice memory jog.

[VladtheImpaler]

You are paying a "sure thing" price for a guy that has nothing but potential at this point. Schneider was a sure thing. This kid isn't. And you also have to factor in the market - there are 3 buyers or so and 20 goalies looking for a starting gig. Why would you pay that much when you have so many choices?

PS This is to EE.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

you want a player that was more worried about partying than being ready to play in the playoffs? Thank Christ you are not Treliving

He's been a top scorer everywhere he's played. I don't care about his past.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

You are paying a "sure thing" price for a guy that has nothing but potential at this point. Schneider was a sure thing. This kid isn't. And you also have to factor in the market - there are 3 buyers or so and 20 goalies looking for a starting gig. Why would you pay that much when you have so many choices?

PS This is to EE.

Can you say the players available at 7 would be more of a sure thing? I would argue the odds are far in Murray's favor of being more of a sure thing as he's playing right now in the NHL playoffs and just won his first playoff series. Any player the Flames draft could be Monahan but the odds more likely point to Baertschi, Poirier, or Klimchuk in guys that take time to develop and may never pan out.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Can you say the players available at 7 would be more of a sure thing? I would argue the odds are far in Murray's favor of being more of a sure thing as he's playing right now in the NHL playoffs and just won his first playoff series. Any player the Flames draft could be Monahan but the odds more likely point to Baertschi, Poirier, or Klimchuk in guys that take time to develop and may never pan out.

Well, I guess I can say the following:

1) I am comfortable that there are several goalies available who would be a significant improvement on Hiller/Ramo
2) I am comfortable that there are several available who are top 10-12 in the league
3) I am not comfortable that Murray is a sure thing - he may or may not be
4) There are many good goalies available who would be at least "NHL average"
5) Whether 6th overall is more of a sure thing than Murray is immaterial in the sense that a 6th overall is worth a lot more - it's a huge overpayment regardless of whether it turns out for the best or not.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

A Wideman for Fleury swap makes sense if both waive the NMC. I could see both agreeing to do so. Fleury gets a starters job with an up and coming team. Wideman gets a shot to put up big numbers playing with the offensive forwards on Pitt. Daley has looked good in Pitt perhaps Wideman would also do well

Fleury could also just refuse to waive and force the Pens to trade Murray

Why wouldn't they just protect Murray and leave Fleury to the expansion draft

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

you want a player that was more worried about partying than being ready to play in the playoffs? Thank Christ you are not Treliving

That was 4 years ago, and he was 25.

Anyways, if he's still a dummy like that then leave it be, but it's worth investigating if you're the GM of an NHL team. I'm sure BT won't leave that stone unturned.

[bax]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Why wouldn't they just protect Murray and leave Fleury to the expansion draft

Rumor has it NMC's will need to be protected in the expansion draft meaning that Fleury is automatically on their protected list