2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors v2

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

I think he was referring to we will have more off the books in the summer of 17.

I know. It's just too bad things can't be shuffled to take advantage of the current free agency crop because it's better and there's a large inventory, therefore prices should be good

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Wideman has a no trade clause.

He does. That means he has some level of control as to where he goes.

It's a contract year.

This completely works in the Flames advantage. Wideman needs to have a good year to get another big contract from someone. He needs ice time and he needs to score. So he is going to be motivated to go someplace where he will play and get quality ice time. The Flames can make it very clear to him that he will be playing bottom pairing ice time or eating popcorn on a regular basis. That should be more than enough to motivate Wideman to accept a trade somewhere.

Do you think it's worth more with Wideman to stick with an young upstart team like the Flames where he is already familiar with the team and players or do you think he's interested in going to Siberia for 7 months to play with a new coach, GM and roster of players?

He will go where he will get ice time. That isn't in Calgary. Edmonton provides opportunity Calgary can't. That isn't the only team out there in need of defensemen though. Dallas is going to be pretty desperate fro guys that can play top four next season. There is a possible fit there as well.

Now, we need to find a team that is not only OK with adding 5.25 but is willing to add that salary without subjecting one of their own garbage contracts.

Hello Dallas!

Now we have to make sure that the team that is willing to accept wideman without getting junk in return is also on his list of teams he would accept a trade to.

Hello Dallas!

And finally, the Calgary Flames have to be on board with the idea of paying 3 million dollars next year for Wideman to NOT play for the team (Because for some reason Wideman's contract is structured in such a way as to make his last season his highest paid season.) So, the basement dwelling teams are actually on the hook for 3 million from wideman next year in terms of the cash payout. That's probably good news for a cap-basement team, but how many teams that are internal budget teams are looking to pay a player MORE than their cap hit? I don't think there is many.

If Calgary can get a good asset for Wideman by eating some salary I'm sure they will be happy to do so for a year. Especially if that asset is one that can be around for a few years.

The way some posters make it sound on here, Wideman already has his bags packed and ticket booked out of town. If I was him, I wouldn't be going anywhere.

Yeah, well you wouldn't be making a very good career decision, especially if I'm Brad Treliving, because I'm going to sit your ass in the pressbox, limit your playing time and scoring ability, and drive your bargaining power in the next free agent market place into the toilet. You want to be a dick by holding that NTC over my head, I can be a dick and pretty much end your future by sitting you for the season. See how leverage works?

[Yoho]

Or Wideman has made enough money and just wants to play out his contract here next season. Do you really think he believes another big pay day is in store? Highly unlikely.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Or Wideman has made enough money and just wants to play out his contract here next season. Do you really think he believes another big pay day is in store? Highly unlikely.

I would imagine his mind, like many fading guys in their 30's, will be on the possibility of not being offered a contract after this season if he doesn't show something, like Glencross.

It's the new reality and older players are taking serious notice. You can go from being a decent enough, point producer in this league to being offered PTO's in a heartbeat.

[getbak]

If there's an expansion after next season, that will create 25-50 new NHL jobs.

That could make a big difference for a guy like Wideman (or even Raymond).

[Tbull8]

I still think Wideman to Colorado for Iggy makes so much sense. If nothing else it redistributes our cap hit to a weakness (RW) and opens up a spot for Nakladal or Wotherspoon on the back end

[Conroy4Mayor]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

I still think Wideman to Colorado for Iggy makes so much sense. If nothing else it redistributes our cap hit to a weakness (RW) and opens up a spot for Nakladal or Wotherspoon on the back end

That'd be great for Calgary, but I can't see why Colorado would do this.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

I still think Wideman to Colorado for a bag of pucks makes so much sense. If nothing else it redistributes our cap hit to a weakness (puck) and opens up a spot for Nakladal or Wotherspoon on the back end

Fyp

[Caged Great]

Here's how I see the cap hit breaking down with rough estimates of $.

Gaudreau (7)-Monahan (7)- NEW GUY
Colborne (3)-Backlund (3.575)-Frolik (4.3)
Ferland (0.825)-Bennett (3.194)- NEW GUY
Bouma (2.2)-Grant (.8)-Jooris (1)

Giordano (6.75)-Brodie (4.65)
Engelland (2.917)-Hamilton (5.75)
Jokipakka (0.9)-Wideman (5.25)

NEW GUY
Ortio (1.0)

In Minors
Stajan - 2.225
Raymond - 2.25
Bollig - 0.35

All of that adds up to a few dollars short of 65 mil. That leaves 7 mil or so to add three key players. Trading Wideman is necessary as his dollars can go towards one of the two forward spots and he can be replaced by Nakladal for about 1 mil. If the Flames luck out and pick in the top 3, that will fill the first line spot for the same cap hit as Bennett, leaving 4 mil to get a goalie.

[JJ1532]

Originally Posted by Conroy4Mayor

That'd be great for Calgary, but I can't see why Colorado would do this.

Because they need help on the blueline. They only have 2 guys on defence that scored above 27 points this season and they were even thinner on PP specialists back there. Plus, with them clearly being way off contention, they might want to dump Iggy. I mean, they have Rantenen who could come up and take Iggy's spot potentially as well.

I don't think either side goes to the other with that proposal, but I think it could work.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Here's how I see the cap hit breaking down with rough estimates of $.

Gaudreau (7)-Monahan (7)- NEW GUY
Colborne (3)-Backlund (3.575)-Frolik (4.3)
Ferland (0.825)-Bennett (3.194)- NEW GUY
Bouma (2.2)-Grant (.8)-Jooris (1)

Giordano (6.75)-Brodie (4.65)
Engelland (2.917)-Hamilton (5.75)
Jokipakka (0.9)-Wideman (5.25)

NEW GUY
Ortio (1.0)

In Minors
Stajan - 2.225
Raymond - 2.25
Bollig - 0.35

All of that adds up to a few dollars short of 65 mil. That leaves 7 mil or so to add three key players. Trading Wideman is necessary as his dollars can go towards one of the two forward spots and he can be replaced by Nakladal for about 1 mil. If the Flames luck out and pick in the top 3, that will fill the first line spot for the same cap hit as Bennett, leaving 4 mil to get a goalie.

What about the #13/14 forwards and #7 D?

[Wolfman]

I don't care what they do with Bollig, as long as he's not in a flames jersey next year.

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I would imagine his mind, like many fading guys in their 30's, will be on the possibility of not being offered a contract after this season if he doesn't show something, like Glencross.

It's the new reality and older players are taking serious notice. You can go from being a decent enough, point producer in this league to being offered PTO's in a heartbeat.

50+ points, top twenty in Norris voting, to being too ####ty for the nhl in 2 years.. Actually might be a reality..

I think he's a warrior and can still contribute top 4 minutes to a team. Maybe I'm wrong

[AcGold]

He's too slow for the league, with how many hooking penalties and interference penalties get called Wideman is a pylon in 2 years. If not the next, this is going to be an ugly one if we have to ride it out. Maybe he has some form of reclamation but wow was he ever slow this season.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I don't think the Flames want him on the roster next season. I would be very surprised if he's back.

I agree that the Flames don't want him on the roster. Not difficult to see that the Flames can use the cap hit more efficiently somewhere else for sure. I bet they do try to move him in the offseason.

I just think that the Flames (like most teams) when deciding between a depth defencemen that makes too much money versus a depth forward making the same amount of money - they choose the defencemen every time if cap hits are equal (and what I mean is the retention on Wideman + incoming players cap hit = what Wideman's cap hit is).

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by AC

I think Hathaway has to be on the team next season. He showed during his stint that he has what it takes to be a very effective 4th liner in this league. He hit every chance he got, he blocked everything he could, and he caused havoc while drawing penalties about as well as Gaudreau.

If he's in the AHL and Bollig is on this team still I'll lose a lot of faith in our management.

It depends on their role. If Bollig is sitting in the stands on a nightly basis and Hathaway is playing every game with Stockton, then it makes sense, there is no reason to sit a young player in the press box every night. But if Bollig was playing every night I would agree with you. But considering Bollig sat about half the games until the trade deadline this season I doubt he would suddenly become a regular next year.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

I still think Wideman to Colorado for Iggy makes so much sense. If nothing else it redistributes our cap hit to a weakness (RW) and opens up a spot for Nakladal or Wotherspoon on the back end

No, Iginla on this team makes no sense. The guy can't skate at the NHL level any more and has become even more one directional than he was in his last couple of years with the Flames. Roy has been unsuccessful in finding a place in the lineup where Iginla does not hurt the Avalanche. He's played on all lines and has been a detriment on each of them. The only place he has any value is on the PP. We don't need a PP specialist. Iginla is done. Let him go quietly into the night and let the Flames continue to move on in a positive direction.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by New Era

No, Iginla on this team makes no sense. The guy can't skate at the NHL level any more and has become even more one directional than he was in his last couple of years with the Flames. Roy has been unsuccessful in finding a place in the lineup where Iginla does not hurt the Avalanche. He's played on all lines and has been a detriment on each of them. The only place he has any value is on the PP. We don't need a PP specialist. Iginla is done. Let him go quietly into the night and let the Flames continue to move on in a positive direction.

Just looking at Iggy's stats and wow, the Avs lost 8 of their last 9 games when they needed them most. That hurts.

[Ashasx]

Iginla is 38 years old and cannot be expected to will a team to victory anymore.

How about the failings and perpetual disappointment of a number of their young players? How about their coach with some of the worst possession numbers in the league?

[SuperMatt18]

The other team that may be interested in Wideman could potentially be Florida.

Was a decent player for that organization in the past, and they have both Campbell and Mitchell expiring after this season.

Depending on if either of those two want to return next season they may see a fit for a bit of a veteran d-man, that could help the PP, and provide some leadership on the back end.