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Old 02-15-2011, 09:21 PM   #41
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I think Watson was messing with the final question....

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I'm not sure where Toronto came from.
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Old 02-15-2011, 09:53 PM   #42
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Oh I'm aware it was down to a "science" per se...but it seemed cocky and almost playful when he answered Toronto ahahahahah
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Old 02-15-2011, 09:56 PM   #43
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I remember Ken attributed most of his success to his buzzing in ability. He claimed that most players know the answers but aren't as good as him at buzzing in (which I think is just modesty as he knows an inhuman amount of info).
He only means in comparison to other Jeopardy contestants.

There was a 60 minutes about memory freaks. Normies don't have a hope in hell of beating the super memory freaks. There were 6 or 8 of them and some of them said they make a living kicking ass on game shows.

Compared to your average person Ken is not only a genius but kicks ass at the buzzing in.
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Old 02-16-2011, 12:00 AM   #44
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fascinating! am i the only one treating watson like a villain, as if he's skynet?
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Old 02-16-2011, 12:05 AM   #45
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Old 02-16-2011, 07:08 AM   #46
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I find Watson's use of contractions fascinating. Though I probably shouldn't. It's likely a matter of programming.
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Old 02-16-2011, 08:16 AM   #47
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I'm not sure where Toronto came from.
The answer was:
"This U.S. city's largest airport is named for a famous World War II hero, its second largest for a famous World War II battle."

Toronto has two airports: Leaster B Pearson and Billy Bishop. Still wrong, but not out of left field.
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Old 02-16-2011, 08:21 AM   #48
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First, the category names on Jeopardy! are tricky. The answers often do not exactly fit the category. Watson, in his training phase, learned that categories only weakly suggest the kind of answer that is expected, and, therefore, the machine downgrades their significance. The way the language was parsed provided an advantage for the humans and a disadvantage for Watson, as well. “What US city” wasn’t in the question. If it had been, Watson would have given US cities much more weight as it searched for the answer. Adding to the confusion for Watson, there are cities named Toronto in the United States and the Toronto in Canada has an American League baseball team. It probably picked up those facts from the written material it has digested. Also, the machine didn’t find much evidence to connect either city’s airport to World War II. (Chicago was a very close second on Watson’s list of possible answers.) So this is just one of those situations that’s a snap for a reasonably knowledgeable human but a true brain teaser for the machine.
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The people that are arguing that this isn't really a computer beating people at Jeopardy because it can read the clues faster don't really get the signifigance of what Watson (or IBM with Watson) is doing. The fact that he's coming up with the right answer the vast majority of the time really is amazing.
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I only caught the first half. Anyone mind giving the Coles notes?
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I only caught the first half. Anyone mind giving the Coles notes?
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I managed to get Final Jeopardy right last night and when they showed that Watson had gotten it wrong I felt extra special about myself.
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Trebek: And now onto Watson. I'm sure everyone is curious to put down what it answered.

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Trebek: "What is Toronto?????" No, I'm sorry, that is not the correct question. And also note the number of question marks directly correlates to Watson's lack of confidence in its answer. And you wagered:
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Trebek: $947. Oh, you sneak!
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Old 02-16-2011, 11:58 AM   #54
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There is a lot of "guessing" about how Watson works.

He doesn't just buzz in immediately, he has to be sure of his answer before buzzing in. On average it was taking him 2.6 seconds. Not sure if that has been improved since his debut on the real Jeopady.

This is a great video on how he works and what an amazing machine he is. Playing Jeopardy is extremely complex. Watson isn't just an encyclopedia. That's not how Jeopardy works.


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The people that are arguing that this isn't really a computer beating people at Jeopardy because it can read the clues faster don't really get the signifigance of what Watson (or IBM with Watson) is doing. The fact that he's coming up with the right answer the vast majority of the time really is amazing.
Is it amazing?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Computers_Can't_Do

Seems to me that we're playing a game that isn't that hard to win at.
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I find I'm kind of watching the question to see if it has anything that may be misleading to Watson.

So if I see a question that is fairly straight forward with a couple clues in it, I expect Watson to get it correct. It is the ones with a bit of a red herring that Watson still figures out that I find interesting.
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I haven't been home yet but...

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Is it amazing?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Computers_Can't_Do

Seems to me that we're playing a game that isn't that hard to win at.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, espeically by linking to that wikipedia article, but yes it is amazing.

What they've done is build a computer that can recognize natural language including slang, puns, and other things that even other humans have trouble with, if they are new to the language, and have it drawing conclusions from that. That's something that no one has been able to do before, and it's a pretty big step forward.

And yes, that game really is that hard to win at. Being able to piece together the right answer based on clues, not search parameters, is a pretty difficult thing to do.
If it's as easy as you claim it is, then why has no one done it before, and why did it take some of the best engineers at one of the largest computer companies in the world 3 years to accomplish it after they came up with the idea?
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