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Wastedyouth · 06-02-2021, 08:37 PM

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Maurice has a camera angle that shows Evans intensionally injured himself

I lol'd

CorsiHockeyLeague · 06-02-2021, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Sounds like your trying to minimize it. Are you a Jets fan, not that it matters but it might explain why your turning it into n innocent harmless play? He definitely hit a defenseless player at full speed, that much is clear.

First, I am not a Jets fan. I don't really have a rooting interest in this series, aside from wanting it to be a sweep for someone - now that Montreal has won Game 1, I want them to win the next 3.

Second, I don't think it was an "innocent, harmless play". It was clearly not harmless. A guy went off on a stretcher. But the people describing what happened are in fantasy land. They're talking about things that did not happen. Which is insane, because there's video evidence of it.

Third, I don't think it was at full speed - If he'd wanted to skate straight into the hit he could have. He stopped skating well before.

DeluxeMoustache · 06-02-2021, 08:38 PM

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No, you are wrong. The play isn't over. The puck isn't even in the net yet when the hit is made. It's nowhere close when he commits to the hit. And he didn't "skate through the guy full speed" - he stopped skating well before contact was made.

It's like you didn't even watch the thing. You're describing an entirely different play from what actually happened.

You might be right about this; I have no idea what the league will do.

You’re right, I am right. The league will not be fine with this

You didn’t see him load up and drive the shoulder through him? How many the hell body checks are thrown by guys still striding?

Lol How the heck did I not watch it? You’re the only guy here who for some bizarre reason is okay with this.

Macman · 06-02-2021, 08:38 PM

I saw it twice and it looked like an elbow to the head to me, Evan's head even snapped back. He was moving his hands after though so that's a good sign. I hope he's okay.
You can't have hits like that though, I'm guessing 1-2 games here for Sheifele.

Buff · 06-02-2021, 08:40 PM

Scheifele could have eased up on the hit. I think they still would have collided but an injury would likely have been avoided if Scheifele tried to avoid a big hit. He clearly followed through with the hit after the puck was in the net. Intent to injure. I'm sure he didn't want him to leave the game on a stretcher or anything serious but he wanted to send a message for next game. He went overboard. Suspension incoming. I hit a random number generator and it will be 2 games.

GioforPM · 06-02-2021, 08:40 PM

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First, I am not a Jets fan. I don't really have a rooting interest in this series, aside from wanting it to be a sweep for someone - now that Montreal has won Game 1, I want them to win the next 3.

Second, I don't think it was an "innocent, harmless play". It was clearly not harmless. A guy went off on a stretcher. But the people describing what happened are in fantasy land. They're talking about things that did not happen. Which is insane, because there's video evidence of it.

Third, I don't think it was at full speed - If he'd wanted to skate straight into the hit he could have. He stopped skating well before.

No one hits while striding. They always glide a split second before the hit so they can brace and drive into it, just like Scheifele did.

The video evidence shows the puck well into the net before the hit, unlike your description. Did you watch it?

CorsiHockeyLeague · 06-02-2021, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

You didn’t see him load up and drive the shoulder through him? How many the hell body checks are thrown by guys still striding?

Lol How the heck did I not watch it? You’re the only guy here who for some bizarre reason is okay with this.

Of course he drove his shoulder through him. That's what a hit is. That's every hard hit ever. In this case, he stops skating around the hash marks, commits to the hit about a second before contact is made, and boom.

I'm not "okay with this", I don't like to see a guy get hurt, but there are people saying it was a hit to the head (as defined by the NHL rules), or it was interference, or that he left his feet, or that he "skated right through him". Those are all lies.

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The video evidence shows the puck well into the net before the hit, unlike your description. Did you watch it?

Yes - from the front angle it's clear that it's in the net a split second before contact. It's not off his stick long enough for it to be interference, though.

dino7c · 06-02-2021, 08:42 PM

80 strides and 3 seconds of "letting up"

Sorry guy, that's a charge

Senator Clay Davis · 06-02-2021, 08:42 PM

Scheifele had been having a dick kind of game to begin with, and he was really running hot right before and after that roughing penalty. It's pretty much impossible to believe he only sprinted down the ice to try and stop an empty net there, he knew he was gonna get a free shot.

Jacks · 06-02-2021, 08:43 PM

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Third, I don't think it was at full speed - If he'd wanted to skate straight into the hit he could have. He stopped skating well before.

If he was going any faster he probably would have hurt himself going into the boards on the follow through.

CorsiHockeyLeague · 06-02-2021, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

80 strides and 3 seconds of "letting up"

Sorry guy, that's a charge

Like I said, that's the only thing it could be, because charging isn't really defined in the rules. But I dunno, usually if you stop skating well beforehand and aren't going full speed, it's not called as such. But that's the only thing it could realistically be.

GioforPM · 06-02-2021, 08:44 PM

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Scheifele had been having a dick kind of game to begin with, and he was really running hot right before and after that roughing penalty. It's pretty much impossible to believe he only sprinted down the ice to try and stop an empty net there, he knew he was gonna get a free shot.

Considering he made zero attempt to stop the goal, yeah.

GioforPM · 06-02-2021, 08:45 PM

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Like I said, that's the only thing it could be, because charging isn't really defined in the rules. But I dunno, usually if you stop skating well beforehand and aren't going full speed, it's not called as such. But that's the only thing it could realistically be.

Nah.

DeluxeMoustache · 06-02-2021, 08:45 PM

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Of course he drove his shoulder through him. That's what a hit is. That's every hard hit ever. In this case, he stops skating around the hash marks, commits to the hit about a second before contact is made, and boom.

I'm not "okay with this", I don't like to see a guy get hurt, but there are people saying it was a hit to the head (as defined by the NHL rules), or it was interference, or that he left his feet, or that he "skated right through him". Those are all lies.

Well he was skating, kept his momentum and delivered a huge check on a vulnerable player (words of HNIC panel), went elbow first through the head.
You know that when you are striding, you are still skating right ?

Bieksa said the player was vulnerable and he said Schiefele wanted to go through his man. That’s what I saw, that’s what happened

To be frank, I can’t be bothered with your nonsense here. Lies? Jesus. This is a stupid conversation. I’m out.

CorsiHockeyLeague · 06-02-2021, 08:46 PM

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Well he was skating, kept his momentum and delivered a huge check on a vulnerable player (words of HNIC panel)

This is all true, which could be charging, and is arguably suspendable. But the rule is pretty vague and inconsistently applied.

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went elbow first through the head.

You're a liar. This did not happen.

ComixZone · 06-02-2021, 08:46 PM

It’s a mean hit, but I don’t find it dirty.

Scheifele is even gliding as he goes into it. I don’t really like blaming Evans in this situation, but that’s a freaking stupid play by him. Head down wrap around while the Jets are coming back into the zone? So…you’re asking the Jets to just let you tuck it in unchallenged?

It’s a mean friggin hit, but Scheifele is gliding into it, his arm is tucked in…I don’t know.

DropIt · 06-02-2021, 08:46 PM

That's worse than the Kadri hit. I know Schiefle doesn't have the rap sheet that Nazem does, but wow.. that's dirty

Ashasx · 06-02-2021, 08:46 PM

I think it's a really unnecessary, dangerous, a-hole type of hit.

But I struggle to see which part of the rulebook it actually breaks.

But who knows. He could be suspended for the rest of the series. He could be back next game.

OminousFlames · 06-02-2021, 08:46 PM

Wow that is the kind of hit I see myself doing in NHL94.

DeluxeMoustache · 06-02-2021, 08:49 PM

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It’s a mean hit, but I don’t find it dirty.

Scheifele is even gliding as he goes into it. I don’t really like blaming Evans in this situation, but that’s a freaking stupid play by him. Head down wrap around while the Jets are coming back into the zone? So…you’re asking the Jets to just let you tuck it in unchallenged?

It’s a mean friggin hit, but Scheifele is gliding into it, his arm is tucked in…I don’t know.

Scott Stevens would be proud

What year is this?