[Signing] Oilers extend F Leon Draisaitl (8x$14M AAV)

[iamca]

Not sure if he was hurt in the Finals, however he was ineffective and mostly invisible when it mattered, especially in game 7.

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[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

You keep saying this but have yet to give an example which team is giving up a #1 D + for Drais and signing him for $14 mil

He is a very good player but over rated...he isnt a top 5 player IMO.

I obviously dont know exact names but I think you could get a haul and better spread your talent out. They already have a #1 center that he will never play above.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by iamca

Not sure if he was hurt in the Finals, however he was ineffective and mostly invisible when it mattered, especially in game 7.

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You arent wrong

[iamca]

Originally Posted by dino7c

You arent wrong

I get that hockey is a team sport and it’s difficult to find time and space in the playoffs, especially game 7 of the finals, but Drai did not drive the play he was not a difference maker in that series.

I know the Oilers wanted to keep him and maybe he’ll prove me wrong in the future, but I don’t get the value in making him the highest paid player in the league.


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[musth]

Game 6 too


Some may argue the series

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by dino7c

He is a million times better in his own end then Skinner and only a handful less points

Lol now you're just being a downright disingenuous homer. Don't let statistical facts correct you though.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by dino7c

are you still pretending to be a Flames fan as you go on and on about how great the Oilers are. This amazing prospect obviously isn't thought of as such by GMs around the league or he wouldn't have been traded for so little.

This is a Draisaitl signing thread.

I said Draisaitl signing this contract is bad for Flames fans.

Why?

Because it gives them 2 more very real shots at winning the Cup - 2024-25, 2025-26.

What was the alternative?

Draisaitl dragging this out during the season and it becoming a locker room distraction and the Oilers getting punted out of the playoffs with him leaving as a UFA next season.

That would have meant that the Oilers were ROYALLY screwed.

But no no...don't let real logic stand in the way of your delusional reality that you've drummed up in your own metaverse brain.

UNLIKE YOU- Most Flames fans that I know were very relieved that Oilers lost Game 7 but also live in the reality that they came pretty damn close (no matter what reasons make you sleep well at night). That was a nightmare of a month. And No- I don't just believe the team is going to "collapse" because ####in Foegele and McLeod left.

It would have collapsed if Draisaitl left as a UFA though. That would have been guaranteed.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

This is a Draisaitl signing thread.

I said Draisaitl signing this contract is bad for Flames fans.

Why?

Because it gives them 2 more very real shots at winning the Cup - 2024-25, 2025-26.

What was the alternative?

Draisaitl dragging this out during the season and it becoming a locker room distraction and the Oilers getting punted out of the playoffs with him leaving as a UFA next season.

That would have meant that the Oilers were ROYALLY screwed.

But no no...don't let real logic stand in the way of your delusional reality that you've drummed up in your own metaverse brain.

UNLIKE YOU- Most Flames fans that I know were very relieved that Oilers lost Game 7 but also live in the reality that they came pretty damn close (no matter what reasons make you sleep well at night). That was a nightmare of a month. And No- I don't just believe the team is going to "collapse" because ####in Foegele and McLeod left.

It would have collapsed if Draisaitl left as a UFA though. That would have been guaranteed.

Him walking as a UFA would have been best obviously but this is better than a trade or an actual bargain contract. Most non Oiler fanboys dont think this is a great deal...the guys who compile the fancy stats and judge these things think its high....all Flames homers? Who said collapse, I don't think they are better and they will likely do worse this season.

Wanna bet?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Ryan Rishob thinks it’s a reasonable deal. What a loser. How does TSN employee these hacks.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Lol now you're just being a downright disingenuous homer. Don't let statistical facts correct you though.

Its always funny the name calling comes out when I make factual points that can't be debated

Last season:

J. Skinner 46 Points (16:00/G TOI)
W. Foegele 41 Points (13:59/G TOI)

5 points, a handful...what exactly is the problem? You supposedly follow this player so closely but didn't know his point totals from last season and didn't know he isn't signed next year.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Its always funny the name calling comes out when I make factual points that can't be debated

Last season:

J. Skinner 46 Points
W. Foegele 41 Points

5 points, a handful...what exactly is the problem?

Skinner has 7 seasons where has 60+ points.

Foegele has exactly 0 seasons where he has 60+ points.

Forget 60...he has 0 seasons where he has 50+ points.

His career high is 41.

Like I said, don't let statistics stump you. I didn't know proving a player's calibre was just based on last season.

As for "name calling", you've spent multiple pages calling me an Oiler fan boy for having a very reasonable position on the topic for which this thread was created.

If you don't have the capacity for accepting differing viewpoints than yours, then maybe log out instead of posting word vomit chastising individuals by calling them closet oiler fans. I don't have to prove my fandom to you. It's very childish.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

Skinner has 7 seasons where has 60+ points.

Foegele has exactly 0 seasons where he has 60+ points.

Forget 60...he has 0 seasons where he has 50+ points.

His career high is 41.

Like I said, don't let statistics stump you.

As for "name calling", you've spent multiple pages calling me an Oiler fan boy for having a very reasonable position on the topic for which this thread was created.

If you don't have the capacity for accepting differing viewpoints than yours, then maybe log out instead of posting instead of posting word vomit chastising individuals by calling them closet oiler fans. I don't have to prove my fandom to you. It's very childish.

Statistics from years ago are irrelevant...Huberdeau outscored Drai 3 years ago. Skinner is 32 he is not trending upwards. You are on a Flames forum bending over backwards to defend the Oilers. You have made multiple 3 paragraphs posts about how good they will be this season...sorry that seems odd for a Flames fan. I'm not the only one who has questioned you. I mean you called a prospect that was basically given away "elite" like come on man.

If the Oilers are substantially better as you claim they should win the cup easy...lets see if you are right. My money is on them doing worse.

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by iamca

I don’t get the value in making him the highest paid player in the league.

He's the first of the mega stars (100+ pts every year) to get a new UFA equivalent contract based on the new projected salary cap.

He was always going to get the largest AAV contract in NHL History. It's just math as a % of cap. The projections are that it will be around $92M in a couple of years.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by InternationalVillager

He's the first of the mega stars (100+ pts every year) to get a new UFA equivalent contract based on the new projected salary cap.

He was always going to get the largest AAV contract in NHL History. It's just math as a % of cap. The projections are that it will be around $92M in a couple of years.

Multiple Oiler fans and media said he would be taking 12.5-13M

today its a bargain though, funny how that works

[butterfly]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

You keep saying this but have yet to give an example which team is giving up a #1 D + for Drais and signing him for $14 mil

The only team I can think of that even entertains an offer is Buffalo for Dahlin , and I don’t think that makes Edmonton better nor opens enough cap to help the cap space issue

The value was Draisaitl at age 29 for 1x$8.5. A team like Nashville last year could have really used him. They were already choking the life out of the Canucks and allowing them 14 shots a game or something like that. They had that end of the ice locked down. Draisaitl would have been the game breaker they needed to go on a run. Clearly it wouldn't be them anymore after all the deals they gave out this summer.

Now that he has this contract Draisaitl has negative trade value. As a GM I would have no interest in paying that amount for almost his entire 30s.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by butterfly

The value was Draisaitl at age 29 for 1x$8.5. A team like Nashville last year could have really used him. They were already choking the life out of the Canucks and allowing them 14 shots a game or something like that. They had that end of the ice locked down. Draisaitl would have been the game breaker they needed to go on a run. Clearly it wouldn't be them anymore after all the deals they gave out this summer.

Now that he has this contract Draisaitl has negative trade value. As a GM I would have no interest in paying that amount for almost his entire 30s.

So the Oilers, who made it to game 7 of the cup should have traded Drais to Nashville for.... Picks and spects because Nashville would want 1 year of Drais because they are .... closer to winning the cup next year then Edmonton? Because Nashville sure wouldnt trade core players for 1 year.

That would have been good to ensure McDavid also leaves I guess!

That doesnt sound very smart for the Oilers.

Still waiting for a single trade proposal that makes more sense for Edmonton then just resigning Drais

[InternationalVillager]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Multiple Oiler fans and media said he would be taking 12.5-13M

today its a bargain though, funny how that works

15% x cap space = expected contract.

that's how it works.

Whoever wants to think it's a bargain can think that. It's market value. simple as that.

[Aarongavey]

So the consensus in some circles is that a guy who has averaged 50 goals and 68 assists for 118 points per 82 games played over the last 6 seasons getting signed longterm to contract is a bad thing?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

So the Oilers, who made it to game 7 of the cup should have traded Drais to Nashville for.... Picks and spects because Nashville would want 1 year of Drais because they are .... closer to winning the cup next year then Edmonton? Because Nashville sure wouldnt trade core players for 1 year.

That would have been good to ensure McDavid also leaves I guess!

That doesnt sound very smart for the Oilers.

Still waiting for a single trade proposal that makes more sense for Edmonton then just resigning Drais

I think its more that if he had forced their hand they probably would have been better in the long run. Now they have a 30-38 year old making 14M.

I think the offers for Drai would have been MASSIVE. To expect us to name an exact trade is silly. A high end dman, a very good forward, and a first would be market rate IMO.

I keep saying it but Florida has a #1 dman and their top goal scorer signed for 14M combined. Their depth will win every time even if the Oilers have a slightly higher top end.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

So the consensus in some circles is that a guy who has averaged 50 goals and 68 assists for 118 points per 82 games played over the last 6 seasons getting signed longterm to contract is a bad thing?

Some of us don't think he will continue that in his 30-38 year old seasons. In a cap system its not so simple, cap space itself is a MAJOR asset.

Like when has signing a guy in his 30s to an eight year contract based on production in his 20s ever worked out? You can also look at his numbers with and without McDavid which are pretty eye opening. I have been saying for months I hope they sign him to a BIG contract and post history will confirm. Letting him walk was number one but signing him was my second choice. Him giving and actual discount or them trading him for a haul were my least favourite of the possible outcomes.

Chicago would have been better off not to give Kane and Toews massive deals. Nearly every bad contract in the NHL was celebrated at the time. The Flames signed the leagues 2nd leading scorer (outscored Drai) to an 8 year contract 2 years ago and now its the worst contract in the league. (although I think Nurse is worse) For 14M you are looking at 100 points+ just to be fair value let alone a bargain.