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Old 09-05-2024, 04:37 PM   #20261
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It'd be a fun experiment to take the word diarrhea and submit it to 100 neurologists and ask them if you think this person is brain damaged or not.
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Perfectly succulent. Clear, concise and right to the point. None of this wishy washy stuff Kamala says. He has my vote.
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Donald Trump was asked today if he would commit to prioritizing legislation to make childcare affordable, and if so, what specific legislation he would advance.

This is an unedited transcript of his response:

Well, I would do that, and we're sitting down, and I was, somebody, we had Senator Marco Rubio, and my daughter Ivanka was so, uh, impactful on that issue. It's a very important issue. But I think when you talk about the kind of numbers that I'm talking about, that, because, look, child care is child care is. Couldn't, you know, there's something, you have to have it – in this country you have to have it.

But when you talk about those numbers compared to the kind of numbers that I'm talking about by taxing foreign nations at levels that they're not used to — but they'll get used to it very quickly – and it's not gonna stop them from doing business with us, but they'll have a very substantial tax when they send product into our country. Uh, those numbers are so much bigger than any numbers that we're talking about, including child care, that it's going to take care.

We're gonna have - I, I look forward to having no deficits within a fairly short period of time, coupled with, uh, the reductions that I told you about on waste and fraud and all of the other things that are going on in our country, because I have to stay with child care. I want to stay with child care, but those numbers are small relative to the kind of economic numbers that I'm talking about, including growth, but growth also headed up by what the plan is that I just, uh, that I just told you about.

We're gonna be taking in trillions of dollars, and as much as child care, uh, is talked about as being expensive, it's, relatively speaking, not very expensive compared to the kind of numbers we'll be taking in. We're going to make this into an incredible country that can afford to take care of its people, and then we'll worry about the rest of the world. Let's help other people, but we're going to take care of our country first. This is about America first. It's about Make America Great Again, we have to do it because right now we're a failing nation, so we'll take care of it. Thank you. Very good question. Thank you.

Trump has been clearly delusional for some time, but once Biden dropped out, mental infirmity no longer became an issue apparently.
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It'd be a fun experiment to take the word diarrhea and submit it to 100 neurologists and ask them if you think this person is brain damaged or not.
People have put it thru chatgpt, the results are not surprising
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I think he calls that "the weave". Only a stable genius can do it.
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Perfectly succulent. Clear, concise and right to the point. None of this wishy washy stuff Kamala says. He has my vote.
I think his message is pretty clear he is going to implement tariffs on foreign imports to eliminate the deficit and fund childcare.

Or a trillion dollar tax increase in American consumers.
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Donald Trump was asked today if he would commit to prioritizing legislation to make childcare affordable, and if so, what specific legislation he would advance.

This is an unedited transcript of his response:
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I think his message is pretty clear he is going to implement tariffs on foreign imports to eliminate the deficit and fund childcare.

Or a trillion dollar tax increase in American consumers.
Yeah, if you're actually able to decipher anything from that verbal diarrhea, you realize that Trump apparently actually believes that putting duties and tariffs on the importing of foreign products is a tax on the origin nation, not a tax on American businesses doing the importing (which will then either go out of business or pass the increased costs on to their customers by raising prices on everything).

If you're a pro-business/anti-regulation conservative, how could you possible support Trump with what he's saying?
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Trump's sure on a roll today, keep on!


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Donald Trump was asked today if he would commit to prioritizing legislation to make childcare affordable, and if so, what specific legislation he would advance.

This is an unedited transcript of his response:

Well, I would do that, and we're sitting down, and I was, somebody, we had Senator Marco Rubio, and my daughter Ivanka was so, uh, impactful on that issue. It's a very important issue. But I think when you talk about the kind of numbers that I'm talking about, that, because, look, child care is child care is. Couldn't, you know, there's something, you have to have it – in this country you have to have it.

But when you talk about those numbers compared to the kind of numbers that I'm talking about by taxing foreign nations at levels that they're not used to — but they'll get used to it very quickly – and it's not gonna stop them from doing business with us, but they'll have a very substantial tax when they send product into our country. Uh, those numbers are so much bigger than any numbers that we're talking about, including child care, that it's going to take care.

We're gonna have - I, I look forward to having no deficits within a fairly short period of time, coupled with, uh, the reductions that I told you about on waste and fraud and all of the other things that are going on in our country, because I have to stay with child care. I want to stay with child care, but those numbers are small relative to the kind of economic numbers that I'm talking about, including growth, but growth also headed up by what the plan is that I just, uh, that I just told you about.

We're gonna be taking in trillions of dollars, and as much as child care, uh, is talked about as being expensive, it's, relatively speaking, not very expensive compared to the kind of numbers we'll be taking in. We're going to make this into an incredible country that can afford to take care of its people, and then we'll worry about the rest of the world. Let's help other people, but we're going to take care of our country first. This is about America first. It's about Make America Great Again, we have to do it because right now we're a failing nation, so we'll take care of it. Thank you. Very good question. Thank you.
I think this is actually a good example for the discussion about media bias. Take AP's coverage of this:
Trump suggests tariffs can help solve rising child care costs in a major economic speech

excerpt: Trump was asked at his appearance before the Economic Club of New York about his plans to drive down child care costs to help more women join the workforce.

“Child care is child care, it’s something you have to have in this country. You have to have it,” he said. Then, he said his plans to tax imports from foreign nations at higher levels would “take care” of such problems.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-eco...b2c349b07222b8
There is nothing in the article that is inaccurate. There's also nothing that conveys just how little of an understanding he seems to have of the issues related to the question that was asked. They're doing a huge amount of heavy lifting for Trump in editing that down to something that sounds reasonable, if simplistic. We're used to news articles taking complex topics and giving us quotes that put it in layman's terms, and it would be easy for someone to get that impression from this article that this is what is happening here, if you only casually followed American politics.

And I've got no right answer on how you cover this if you're a reputable news outlet like AP. You can't editorialize about how rambling and incoherent the whole answer is; you can't include the full text, which fails your duty to actually make the subject understandable to a reader.
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I think this is actually a good example for the discussion about media bias. Take AP's coverage of this:
Trump suggests tariffs can help solve rising child care costs in a major economic speech

excerpt: Trump was asked at his appearance before the Economic Club of New York about his plans to drive down child care costs to help more women join the workforce.

“Child care is child care, it’s something you have to have in this country. You have to have it,” he said. Then, he said his plans to tax imports from foreign nations at higher levels would “take care” of such problems.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-eco...b2c349b07222b8
There is nothing in the article that is inaccurate. There's also nothing that conveys just how little of an understanding he seems to have of the issues related to the question that was asked. They're doing a huge amount of heavy lifting for Trump in editing that down to something that sounds reasonable, if simplistic. We're used to news articles taking complex topics and giving us quotes that put it in layman's terms, and it would be easy for someone to get that impression from this article that this is what is happening here, if you only casually followed American politics.

And I've got no right answer on how you cover this if you're a reputable news outlet like AP. You can't editorialize about how rambling and incoherent the whole answer is; you can't include the full text, which fails your duty to actually make the subject understandable to a reader.
Excellent point.

If a media source reported that his answer was incoherent, rambling, and did not offer any specifics, it would be considered editorialized, and likely labeled left-wing bias. Following his criminal trials, while it's certainly Democrat (left-wing) aligned, the Jack podcast (MuellerSheWrote) is also extremely factual when it comes to talking about the actual law, the process, etc.

It's sort of the same thing with the idea of refs in the playoffs just letting the players play and not calling penalties, especially in overtime. Not calling a penalty that is a penalty under the guise of "letting the players decide" is putting your thumb on the scale. You give an advantage to an illegal activity by not calling the penalty. Same thing goes for media coverage.

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I think this is actually a good example for the discussion about media bias. Take AP's coverage of this:
Trump suggests tariffs can help solve rising child care costs in a major economic speech

excerpt: Trump was asked at his appearance before the Economic Club of New York about his plans to drive down child care costs to help more women join the workforce.

“Child care is child care, it’s something you have to have in this country. You have to have it,” he said. Then, he said his plans to tax imports from foreign nations at higher levels would “take care” of such problems.

https://apnews.com/article/trump-eco...b2c349b07222b8
There is nothing in the article that is inaccurate. There's also nothing that conveys just how little of an understanding he seems to have of the issues related to the question that was asked. They're doing a huge amount of heavy lifting for Trump in editing that down to something that sounds reasonable, if simplistic. We're used to news articles taking complex topics and giving us quotes that put it in layman's terms, and it would be easy for someone to get that impression from this article that this is what is happening here, if you only casually followed American politics.

And I've got no right answer on how you cover this if you're a reputable news outlet like AP. You can't editorialize about how rambling and incoherent the whole answer is; you can't include the full text, which fails your duty to actually make the subject understandable to a reader.
I think that is a good article. It removes the style of delivery from the equation and focuses on the content. Trumps proposed Tarrifs cannot fund what he promises and are a tax on the American consumer.

I think people saying talhat the speech is incoherent are doing the same thing people did with the Kamala clips.
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I think that is a good article. It removes the style of delivery from the equation and focuses on the content. Trumps proposed Tarrifs cannot fund what he promises and are a tax on the American consumer.

I think people saying talhat the speech is incoherent are doing the same thing people did with the Kamala clips.
But he didn't propose a childcare plan. He proposed a tariff plan to raise money for childcare, in theory.



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He did not answer the question. If he has a plan to drive down childcare costs, tariffs aren't really that at all. As an answer to thew question he was asked, I think it is fair to say his answer is incoherent.
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I think people saying talhat the speech is incoherent are doing the same thing people did with the Kamala clips.
It’s literally the opposite situation. Kamala’s quotes make more sense the more of the surrounding text you include, while Trump’s are the reverse.
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I didnt read it, did the AP article mention that tariffs are ultimately paid by the consumers and he is not in fact taxing foreign countries?
If they didnt then the article fails on its basics. A lot of their political coverage normalizes trump to the detriment of truth.
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You take the good, you take the bad, you take them both and there you have...
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Nicely done MRC! (assuming that wasn't lifted from anywhere)

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Nicely done MRC! (assuming that wasn't lifted from anywhere)

Not lifted, I sing that theme song anytime I hear or see that phrase.
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