I think that the Flames could definitely use a physical but skilled guy to play in the top 6, ideally on the Gaudreau-Monahan line.
Simmonds is not the answer there, however. Simmonds would just be adding to the bottom 6, and I think that the Flames have enough grit there. There is no denying that he is more skilled than Rinaldo, but he won't be nearly as effective as Rinaldo on the forecheck. Not the guy to waste assets on, or even a roster spot on IMO.
It really feels like the Flames have been in a tough spot since the spending spree that was the summer of 2018. Treliving spent large on Lindholm, Hanifin, Ryan and Neal. 3 of those players have been key additions and the other was a toxic contract that was moved for an even more toxic co tract but a player that fits better (still grossly overpaid for what he brings).
Thanks to the Lazar, Smith, Hamonic trades that cost the team a total of 5 picks they have a weakened prospect pool which makes it harder to trade picks and prospects.
It sounds like they were runners up on Stone last year and Hall this year. They had completed trades for Kadri and Zucker that were either blocked or fell through. Treliving has had a very hard time making moves and based on the current prices it doesn’t seem like the Flames are destined to make any changes before Monday.
I predict this team is largely the same when the deadline passes and huge changes occur this summer with a massive shakeup
It can't be stated enough. How much different with the Flames prospec base look today with the addition of a 1st round talent and four 2nd round talents? Treliving got greedy and now he's paying the price. I will say at least this restraint is showing that he realizes his past mistakes.
It can't be stated enough. How much different with the Flames prospec base look today with the addition of a 1st round talent and four 2nd round talents? Treliving got greedy and now he's paying the price. I will say at least this restraint is showing that he realizes his past mistakes.
Brian Elliott also cost a pretty valuable pick for one year and 0 playoff wins.
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It can't be stated enough. How much different with the Flames prospec base look today with the addition of a 1st round talent and four 2nd round talents? Treliving got greedy and now he's paying the price. I will say at least this restraint is showing that he realizes his past mistakes.
Especially with the Hamonic trade. How nice it would have been to have Dobson or Wahlstrom in the fold.
For those against the Simmonds trade, I think i am all for it if that is the best we can do (like a last minute trade).
A) wouldn’t cost much, maybe like a mid round pick (4th/5th) and Czarnik (we likely receive an additional 3rd from Edmonton from Lucic trade)
B) allows us to have an additional gritty player, spreading the gritty wealth around
C) right handed
D) no strings attached, if it doesn’t work out the Simmonds experiment only lasted 20 games. If it does, then we got a decent player for nothing.
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Using draft picks as currency is one thing, and maybe questionable for where the Flames were in their rebuild cycle. But to top it off, the acquired players just didn't work out as expected (or maybe hoped).
I imagine that this is pretty much how all of Tre's negotiations end up.
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Using draft picks as currency is one thing, and maybe questionable for where the Flames were in their rebuild cycle. But to top it off, the acquired players just didn't work out as expected (or maybe hoped).
The Hamilton trade is really the only trade he's made involving picks that has worked out. You can argue the Smith trade was okay value as they got a 1B goaltender for two seasons but the lack of a franchise goaltender has been an ongoing issue that Treliving has failed to address. Treliving is by definition a below average GM that's made one or two good moves, a lot of middling moves and a handful of some really poor moves. I really do think he would be an excellent assistant GM as for the most part he's great at negotiating contracts but professional scouting around the team has been beyond abysmal under him as too many wasted draft picks on mediocre/bad players and free agency has been an unmitigated disaster.
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- we needed a starting goalie so Elliott was revered as a great trade at the time
- same goes for Smith
- Lazar was a major bust but the idea was right
- Hamonic may re-sign here for a good deal so you never know
Picks are currency and Tre has spent. The key is finding gems like Mangiapane in late rounds to balance things out.
I say as long as he doesn’t trade this years 1st I’m still happy with what he has done.
Can’t control trades that got vetoed or Stone only wanting to re-sign in Vegas.
I still have faith!
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The icing on the cake is watching Hamonic sail off into free agency this summer without recouping anything. That trade really was a disaster.
Losing him for nothing is almost as bad as overpaying to keep him. Ideally the team deals him for the highest bidder at the deadline or signs him to a short term, team friendly deal.
The trade was made to give the Flames 2 top pairings. So far through 2.5 seasons the team has one playoff appearance where he was noticeably one of the worst players on the team. We will see if they make it this year and if he is there to make a difference one way or another.
Yeah, Treliving never fixed the goalie problem properly, huge misstep by him for sure.....except wait, remember when he traded for Ben Bishop but the deal didnt go through because he was too busy being ####ing micromanaged by idiots?
Remember how many people said we dodged a bullet when Dallas traded for Bishop and then extended him? Go look at Bishops numbers the last 3 seasons in Dallas and tell me all about the bullet they apparently dodged again.
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- we needed a starting goalie so Elliott was revered as a great trade at the time
- same goes for Smith
- Lazar was a major bust but the idea was right
- Hamonic may re-sign here for a good deal so you never know
Picks are currency and Tre has spent. The key is finding gems like Mangiapane in late rounds to balance things out.
I say as long as he doesn’t trade this years 1st I’m still happy with what he has done.
Can’t control trades that got vetoed or Stone only wanting to re-sign in Vegas.
I still have faith!
Yep. It really boils down to what you want in a GM. The hardest working GM or the brightest and best. Flames have the former which we are seeing will only take you so far.
It can't be stated enough. How much different with the Flames prospec base look today with the addition of a 1st round talent and four 2nd round talents? Treliving got greedy and now he's paying the price. I will say at least this restraint is showing that he realizes his past mistakes.
I also think both the Brouwer and Neal set us back and handicapped the Flames. We should have filled those spots with younger hungrier players but instead not only were they lazy players that didn't do what they were supposed to, they were costly additions and stunted our rebuild. BT has done some good things but you really have to wonder if the Flames are lacking some internal direction when it comes to what the teams actual needs.
Brian Elliott also cost a pretty valuable pick for one year and 0 playoff wins.
Agreed. I would even goes as far as to give him a pass on Smith as a simple cost of doing business and need a goalie, but Elliot is a bad one, no doubt.
I also think both the Brouwer and Neal set us back and handicapped the Flames. We should have filled those spots with younger hungrier players but instead not only were they lazy players that didn't do what they were supposed to, they were costly additions and stunted our rebuild. BT has done some good things but you really have to wonder if the Flames are lacking some internal direction when it comes to what the teams actual needs.
To buy out Brouwer and immediately go back to the well with Neal shows of a general lack of patience, trying over and over for the quick fix. It really does look like a Canadian thing as the Canucks pretty well doing the same thing when they aren't ready to be a contender. Canadian owners and fans simply lack the patience for the long game.
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I don't like that idea. I still really believe Bennett has another level yet and he is a beast. Many won't agree but I would trade Mangiapane before Bennett. Even better would be if we can do it for a 2nd plus another non roster piece. I don't want to see Bennett or our 1st traded unless it is part of a deal for a legit top 6 player with term .
Trading Mangiapane would definitely be a sell-high situation. It would be a bold move by Tre, but could be a steal for the Flames depending on the return after the dust settles.
I might be the odd one out, but I still like the team as broadly constructed by Tre and I think the team is starting to come together. It's still a bit back-end heavy and needs a second high end right handed shot, but all-in-all it's pretty good.
Mangiapane, Dube, Bennett, Janko and Lucic have really stepped up their game in the past couple werks and playing some of their best hockey in a long time. Additionally, Johnny, Monahan, Backlund and Tkachuk are starting to look like they're finally finding their game again. Finally, Ryan and Lindholm have been good the entire season. That's 11 of 12 forwards that are starting to peak at the right time.
If we can get Valimaki and Giordano back...and get into the playoffs as a 2 or 3 seed in the division I think we'll be in good shape.
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I might be the odd one out, but I still like the team as broadly constructed by Tre and I think the team is starting to come together. It's still a bit back-end heavy and needs a second high end right handed shot, but all-in-all it's pretty good.
Mangiapane, Dube, Bennett, Janko and Lucic have really stepped up their game in the past couple werks and playing some of their best hockey in a long time. Additionally, Johnny, Monahan, Backlund and Tkachuk are starting to look like they're finally finding their game again. Finally, Ryan and Lindholm have been good the entire season. That's 11 of 12 forwards that are starting to peak at the right time.
If we can get Valimaki and Giordano back...and get into the playoffs as a 2 or 3 seed in the division I think we'll be in good shape.
Agree, I like them starting to get better at the right time. 31 goals in the last 6 games
And two goalies you can count on to stop the shots they should!
I'm not a big fan of the team's current construction - but I'm also not opposed to giving the group one more chance. A few weeks ago the idea of standing pat seemed like the worst outcome - but now - maybe it is the way to go.
You simply can't deal Brodie - you would be giving up the season. And while there is a rationale argument to be made that they should do that - that's a tough sell to owners, fans, and the other players in the room.
