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View Poll Results: What do you think of the trade after a week of getting your head around it?
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Love it, think Lucic is an upgrade
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Like it, clears some cap space even if Lucic is no better
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Indifferent, both teams getting a failed project
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Dislike it, Neal needed another year to bounce back
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Hate it, Neal will be better in Edmonton
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07-19-2019, 01:49 PM
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#81
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Taking a while to get to 5000
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Maybe we should all be grateful that Bennett/Puljuarvi weren't also part of this?
I'm bad at feel good stuff.
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07-19-2019, 01:49 PM
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#82
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Flames Town
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I am okau with this. I think Lucic has a better chance of bouncing back and actually helping the team. As long as the NMC is removed.
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07-19-2019, 01:49 PM
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#83
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Jordan!
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Chandler, AZ
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Neal for sure is hitting the 20 goal mark again next season
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07-19-2019, 01:49 PM
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#84
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Lifetime Suspension
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Neal will probably explode with McDavid
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07-19-2019, 01:50 PM
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#85
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: victoria
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bouw N Arrow
Neal for sure is hitting the 20 goal mark again next season
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Thats the #### part. Neal will prob have a 45-55 pt season
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07-19-2019, 01:50 PM
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#86
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Love
Neal will probably explode with McDavid
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He won't be able to keep up with him.
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07-19-2019, 01:50 PM
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#87
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#1 Goaltender
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would have rather just buyout Neal and take the long term hit
Could have signed Ferland. Jesus why didn’t they just do that
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07-19-2019, 01:50 PM
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#88
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Franchise Player
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James Neal was a healthy scratch at 5.75M to end the season. When it came down to the most important game, the coaches thought it was best to keep Neal off the ice. And, given his play, they were almost certainly right.
If Lucic comes in at under 5.75M cap hit, even if he is a healthy scratch, it's no loss. They both suck.
However, Lucic is also considerably cheaper as is, forget about salary retention. In terms of actual cost he is owed 16M compared to Neal's 23M. So 7M in actual savings for the Flames (pre-retention).
And then a conditional pick.
I'll take it as a win. Neal could bounce back, but given how absolutely terrible he was last year, I'd rather just not risk it.
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07-19-2019, 01:51 PM
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#89
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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Originally Posted by TheIronMaiden
An Oilers second round pick is basically a 1st.
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It would be nice to pick 31st and 32nd.
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07-19-2019, 01:51 PM
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#90
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Resident Videologist
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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Rumour yesterday was only 10% retention. Makes him cheaper than Neal, but not by much.
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07-19-2019, 01:51 PM
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#91
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen
James Neal was a healthy scratch at 5.75M to end the season. When it came down to the most important game, the coaches thought it was best to keep Neal off the ice. And, given his play, they were almost certainly right.
If Lucic comes in at under 5.75M cap hit, even if he is a healthy scratch, it's no loss. They both suck.
However, Lucic is also considerably cheaper as is, forget about salary retention. In terms of actual cost he is owed 16M compared to Neal's 23M. So 7M in actual savings for the Flames (pre-retention).
And then a conditional pick.
I'll take it as a win. Neal could bounce back, but given how absolutely terrible he was last year, I'd rather just not risk it.
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Who cares about actual cost it isn't my money, all that matters is cap hit.
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07-19-2019, 01:51 PM
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#92
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Pent-up
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Plutanamo Bay.
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The trade is a wash in terms of foot speed.
I feel sick.
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07-19-2019, 01:51 PM
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#93
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
Just following up on @GenePrincipe and @RealKyper — only Lucic/Neal involved with EDM retaining some money and including a conditional draft pick.
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07-19-2019, 01:51 PM
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#94
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Had an idea!
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Being able to expose Lucic in the expansion draft to a team who might want an experienced player for a couple years might help the Flames.
Otherwise we'd have to get up one of our young defensemen.
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07-19-2019, 01:51 PM
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#95
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Months ago when I said people would be pissed about a trade that almost happened involving two disappointing vets from a divisional rival... this was it.
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07-19-2019, 01:52 PM
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#96
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Springbank
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Here's my "try to make this palatable" take:
a. No NMC plus less salary might make Lucic tradable - more than Neal at this point.
b. The NMC also makes Lucic buriable going forward. So maybe this is a pure cap space issue. Maybe makes Tkahcuk an easier signing.
c. It does address toughness I guess.
d. I got nothing else.
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07-19-2019, 01:52 PM
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#97
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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How much money retained? What pick?
Ugh not a fan at all right now
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07-19-2019, 01:52 PM
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#98
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Vancouver
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WOW lol
so the 'sweetener' is a conditional pick?
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07-19-2019, 01:52 PM
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#99
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: The Void between Darkness and Light
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"If neal hits 20 goals or the oilers make the playoffs" is the pick condition I bet.
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07-19-2019, 01:52 PM
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#100
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by keenan87
I am okau with this. I think Lucic has a better chance of bouncing back and actually helping the team. As long as the NMC is removed.
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lol. Milan Lucic is not an NHL calibre player. Literally the only reasons he's still in the league are his contract and the fact that the Oilers don't even have 12 NHL calibre forwards.
It's mind boggling if we think Lucic is going to add anything of value here.
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