The Democratic Presidential Nomination 2020

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Sanders will get eviscerated and that will be the last free election we will see in the US, Clinton had a 12% lead over Trump and he destroyed her.

This is hysterical nonsense.

Are we just going to forget the facts that Clinton was a terrible candidate who couldn't energize her own party, and that a large part of her lead evaporating happened because the FBI said they were reopening the investigation into her days before the actual election?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Once he starts going through the grinder you can quite obviously expect him to take some hits. With Trump his negatives are already priced in, Bernie has a lot more beating up to take.

If you're a political junkie, or even just a moderately well-informed citizen, it's easy to forget that a great many people do not follow politics at all. The Arizona debate set a record for the Democratic primaries with 20 million viewers; that's 1 in 16 Americans. I'd guess most Americans know next to nothing about Sanders, beyond the vague impression of an old dude talking about free health care and other socialist stuff. The first picture many of these voters will get of him will be the attack ads Trump puts out.

And he's very vulnerable on some of the radical stances from his past. A 28 year old software developer in Seattle probably doesn't care Sanders expressed admiration for the Sandinistas. But to a 67 year old Latino in Miami, or a 52 year old pipefitter in Ohio, those attacks will stick.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by rubecube

This is hysterical nonsense.

Are we just going to forget the facts that Clinton was a terrible candidate who couldn't energize her own party, and that a large part of her lead evaporating happened because the FBI said they were reopening the investigation into her days before the actual election?

And what do you think is going to happen to Bernie, you don't think Trump and Putin don't have an equally damaging news drop ready? a candidate that at best has no policy to attract voter that have healthcare, a full 60% of all voters, Trump will run on Bernie's going to take away your healthcare, it is a massively winning argument, fear works, 50% of Americans will see Bern's signature policy as a direct threat to their own access to healthcare

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

If you're a political junkie, or even just a moderately well-informed citizen, it's easy to forget that a great many people do not follow politics at all.

No, it's Idiocracy. They follow memes and Facebook.

U.S. elections are nothing more than pageantry and propaganda, which unfortunately is something that Trump excels at.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

And what do you think is going to happen to Bernie, you don't think Trump and Putin don't have an equally damaging news drop ready?

No, not really.

As Senator has been saying, Sanders's weakness is electoral math, not skeletons in the closet - he's a good candidate to win the industrial midwest, but not so much for Florida. His strength will be his appeal to a portion of Trump's base, who aren't ideological, but hate Washington and politics as usual and think the system is rigged to benefit a small group of elites to their detriment (because it quite frankly is).

Well, that and the theory that young people don't vote because no one ever gets nominated who appeals to them. No better test of that theory than Sanders.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Well, that and the theory that young people don't vote because no one ever gets nominated who appeals to them. No better test of that theory than Sanders.

The youth vote record was broken in 2008 when Obama won and seemed like a true progressive candidate, but in reality was still beholden to the oligarch class. Bernie is the first true outsider with a chance at winning the presidency, if he doesn't get millenials and gen Z to turn up to vote then no one will

[FlameOn]

Wealth inequality for millenials and gen Z are worse than they were under Obama. I'd expect close to or better than Obama ratios for Sanders from that demographic.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

Wealth inequality for millenials and gen Z are worse than they were under Obama. I'd expect close to or better than Obama ratios for Sanders from that demographic.

Maybe but then you lose another demographic. You're never gonna win this battle trying to define/redefine Socialism. As some of you are implying, the way to win the coming fight with the Nationalist jingoistic BS is just put up the two means of solving problems without labels.

Bernie's answer the other night about Democratic Socialism and talking about Denmark are losers in the general election. Never going to win that fight.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

No, not really.

As Senator has been saying, Sanders's weakness is electoral math, not skeletons in the closet - he's a good candidate to win the industrial midwest, but not so much for Florida. His strength will be his appeal to a portion of Trump's base, who aren't ideological, but hate Washington and politics as usual and think the system is rigged to benefit a small group of elites to their detriment (because it quite frankly is).

Well, that and the theory that young people don't vote because no one ever gets nominated who appeals to them. No better test of that theory than Sanders.

You don't need an actual skeleton, we'll get movies of Bernie and Jeffrey Epstien and Prince Andrew gangbanging a latino grandma about a week before polling

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Maybe but then you lose another demographic. You're never gonna win this battle trying to define/redefine Socialism. As some of you are implying, the way to win the coming fight with the Nationalist jingoistic BS is just put up the two means of solving problems without labels.

Bernie's answer the other night about Democratic Socialism and talking about Denmark are losers in the general election. Never going to win that fight.

the way to win this fight is to argue that you are in so many words a 'wartime President' that Trump is an existential threat to the US and that you recognise many, many, Republicans need an alternative to Trump but are not voting for left wing policies, any Democrat that campaigned on a policy of being a caretaker President who is there to return the country to some form of democratic normality.

I would run on a campaign of

'Make America Proud Again'

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

the way to win this fight is to argue that you are in so many words a 'wartime President' that Trump is an existential threat to the US and that you recognise many, many, Republicans need an alternative to Trump but are not voting for left wing policies, any Democrat that campaigned on a policy of being a caretaker President who is there to return the country to some form of democratic normality.

I would run on a campaign of

'Make America Proud Again'

That should have been Warren but she went off the rails with petty identity politics.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

That should have been Warren but she went off the rails with petty identity politics.

Warren seems like a good middle ground between corporate shill Buttigieg and socialist Bernie, just too bad her campaign has been so badly run

[calgarygeologist]

It is really early into the Nevada results but it looks like Bernie is running away with the Nevada vote. Biden looks like third place at best.

[dissentowner]

Does anybody think the current dictator is going to allow a fair election? This is a man who has a history of cheating the system to do whatever he wants. It doesn't matter who represents the Democrats, they can't win.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Does anybody think the current dictator is going to allow a fair election? This is a man who has a history of cheating the system to do whatever he wants. It doesn't matter who represents the Democrats, they can't win.

I'm not sure he has the pieces in place to subvert this one beyond the Russian help, this will be the last free election in the US if he wins though

[robbie111]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

It is really early into the Nevada results but it looks like Bernie is running away with the Nevada vote. Biden looks like third place at best.

Lol at the party trying to stop Bernie. Here we go again, this time in Nevada they are having trouble with the results coming in. Apparently democrats can't count.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by robbie111

Lol at the party trying to stop Bernie. Here we go again, this time in Nevada they are having trouble with the results coming in. Apparently democrats can't count.

I have a feeling that the Convention is going to be a circus. It will take a long time to get figured out and it has the potential to really bring down the Democratic Party if the DNC pushes to do something stupid to keep Bernie down.

It is time for the US to segregate the party system into a hard right, moderate right, moderate left and hard left.

[calgarygeologist]

The MSNBC folks really have their panties in a bunch with Bernie taking control of this nomination race. Their world is basically ending and it is a very fearful environment that they are talking about. James Carville is losing his mind over this.

[FlameOn]

Some of these "moderate" Democrats have losing their minds with things going the way they are in Nevada. MSNBC's Chris Mathews just equated, Bernie Sanders (a Jew) winning, to France getting invaded by the Nazis in WWII.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1231345934891724802
Further suggesting the US would be better with four more years under Trump than Sanders. What a clown.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1231321300670537733


Seems like Sanders has broad appeal in Nevada so far.

Entrance polls show Sanders winning men and women; whites and Latinos; voters age 17-29, 30-44 and 45-64; those with college degrees and those without

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...e-updates.html

Yang on CNN telling Klobuchar to drop out.

[GirlySports]

yeah Carville and Matthews going nuts on MSNBC. They now want Trump to win.