01-09-2019, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Why would Tkachuk get the Draisaitl special contract? I have a hard time believing he's going to get that much money from Treliving. I like what he brings but to me he's not an $8 million player.
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I think he is, which is going to be fantastic when he gets less.
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01-09-2019, 10:42 AM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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do a lot of you subscribe to the Athletic? Worth it?
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01-09-2019, 10:43 AM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Nuke this thread.
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01-09-2019, 10:52 AM
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Acerbic Cyberbully
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Why would Tkachuk get the Draisaitl special contract?
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A +$80 m salary cap v a $75 m salary cap.
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01-09-2019, 10:53 AM
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Acerbic Cyberbully
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Originally Posted by zamler
Nuke this thread.
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Why?
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01-09-2019, 10:57 AM
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Backup Goalie
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Originally Posted by Duffalufagus
do a lot of you subscribe to the Athletic? Worth it?
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I do and I would highly recommend. Tons of hockey and Flames content, and it's terrific for other sports as well. High quality writing in my opinion.
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01-09-2019, 10:57 AM
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Stating the obvious: Tkachuk's contract will depend a lot on what happens in the playoffs. It's hardly even worth speculating about until the summer.
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01-09-2019, 12:01 PM
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Why would Tkachuk get the Draisaitl special contract? I have a hard time believing he's going to get that much money from Treliving. I like what he brings but to me he's not an $8 million player.
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Well his PPG this year says otherwise. At this rate he’ll blow Draisaitls best season out of the water.
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01-09-2019, 12:11 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher
Well his PPG this year says otherwise. At this rate he’ll blow Draisaitls best season out of the water.
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Well to be fair scoring is up significantly league wide this season. In addition to that Tkachuk sits fourth on the Flames in points, whereas Leon was 2nd on the Oilers by 26 points with 77 on the year.
The biggest factor however was that Leon was coming off an absolutely dominant playoff where he put up 16 points in 13 games and was by far the team's best player (well ahead of McDavid)
Last edited by HighLifeMan; 01-09-2019 at 12:13 PM.
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01-09-2019, 12:16 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher
Well his PPG this year says otherwise. At this rate he’ll blow Draisaitls best season out of the water.
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Except everyone agrees that Draisaitl is overpaid, and that the overpayment was in part based on him centering his own line and thus providing top level scoring on two lines.
Tkachuk's comparables are top line wingers. Discounting Draisaitl and Giroux, the highest active RFA winger contracts are guys like Gaudreau and Hall at between $6-7M.
It is true that for upcoming seasons, you have Nylander's weird contract which, for most years is under $7M, Mark Stone at $7.35 (but only a 1 year deal), Wheeler at $8.25 (but he was to be a UFA).
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01-09-2019, 12:18 PM
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Nylander's contract is functionally a 7.5M cap hit, and Tkachuk is better than Nylander. And I happen to think very highly of Nylander. But Draisaitl's contract was largely based on a playoff run, and there's every reason to think that Tkachuk's will be as well.
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01-09-2019, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Nylander's contract is functionally a 7.5M cap hit, and Tkachuk is better than Nylander. And I happen to think very highly of Nylander. But Draisaitl's contract was largely based on a playoff run, and there's every reason to think that Tkachuk's will be as well.
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There's a huge reason to believe that it won't be based on a single PO run like Draisaitl's.
I think Nylander is OK but way overpaid for what he is.
ETA: CapFriendly has Nylander at $6.9 cap hit for all but year one. So functionally that's what it is for every year except this one.
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01-09-2019, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Stating the obvious: Tkachuk's contract will depend a lot on what happens in the playoffs. It's hardly even worth speculating about until the summer.
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Even if he performs, I would like to see Matthew take a pay reduction just for the sake of the team. Dude is the ultimate team player and just like Gio, Johnny and Monny, his demands shouldn't cripple the team moving forward and allow us flexibility to keep adding pieces. I would guess 6.85-7.2 avg. Especially when your family is already loaded. Keeping the core and building a dynasty should be Tkachuk's main goal and I'm sure Treliving will help him see the light!
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01-09-2019, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by redpaint
Even if he performs, I would like to see Matthew take a pay reduction just for the sake of the team. Dude is the ultimate team player and just like Gio, Johnny and Monny, his demands shouldn't cripple the team moving forward and allow us flexibility to keep adding pieces. I would guess 6.85-7.2 avg. Especially when your family is already loaded. Keeping the core and building a dynasty should be Tkachuk's main goal and I'm sure Treliving will help him see the light!
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Tkachuk's family (in particular his dad) was known for hard tactics in contract negotiation. I doubt Tkachuk will give a team discount.
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01-09-2019, 12:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GioforPM
ETA: CapFriendly has Nylander at $6.9 cap hit for all but year one. So functionally that's what it is for every year except this one.
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Right, and this one is much higher. The total value over the number of games he plays comes out to 7.5m. The holdout made it a little weird. I don't think Nylander is overpaid, personally, based on his body of work... but he hasn't been great since he came back so I'm sure that's the prevailing narrative. It's also worth noting that they didn't buy UFA years, and I wouldn't be surprised if Treliving wants to do so with Tkachuk. So if it were signed today, I'm sure a max term extension would come in over 8. But it won't be signed today, of course, and a lot will depend on what happens between now and June.
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01-09-2019, 12:31 PM
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This year's Flames certainly have the Identity to succeed. If the Supremacy they've shown over the last couple months, is an indication, the team will do well.
Each player has answered the Ultimatum given by Peters at the beginning of the season.
Hopefully the 2019 Flames will leave a Legacy of winning.
Overall a good article by J. Bourne.
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01-09-2019, 12:32 PM
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Right, and this one is much higher. The total value over the number of games he plays comes out to 7.5m. The holdout made it a little weird. I don't think Nylander is overpaid, personally, based on his body of work... but he hasn't been great since he came back so I'm sure that's the prevailing narrative. It's also worth noting that they didn't buy UFA years, and I wouldn't be surprised if Treliving wants to do so with Tkachuk. So if it were signed today, I'm sure a max term extension would come in over 8. But it won't be signed today, of course, and a lot will depend on what happens between now and June.
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Cap hit is cap hit. I don't care that the owners are willing to pay him a whole lot this year. His contract says his team value for the years after this is under $7 and I think that's more than fair.
I would think 8 is the max for Tkachuk and I suspect it's going to be far less than that. Everyone here has overestimated almost every big contract Treliving has done, from Gio to Lindholm. Often by millions.
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01-09-2019, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ignite
This year's Flames certainly have the Identity to succeed. If the Supremacy they've shown over the last couple months, is an indication, the team will do well.
Each player has answered the Ultimatum given by Peters at the beginning of the season.
Hopefully the 2019 Flames will leave a Legacy of winning.
Overall a good article by J. Bourne.
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Worked 5 years for the Score. Leafs analyst. Works for the Fan.
Definitely more Jeremy Renner than Matt Damon
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01-09-2019, 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by GioforPM
Tkachuk's family (in particular his dad) was known for hard tactics in contract negotiation. I doubt Tkachuk will give a team discount.
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I dont see him using the same hard ball tactics. Tkachuk could prob get 9M+ from some teams, and if he wont settle for less then trade him for a boat load.
My guess is 7x7
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01-09-2019, 01:00 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by ignite
This year's Flames certainly have the Identity to succeed. If the Supremacy they've shown over the last couple months, is an indication, the team will do well.
Each player has answered the Ultimatum given by Peters at the beginning of the season.
Hopefully the 2019 Flames will leave a Legacy of winning.
Overall a good article by J. Bourne.
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lol well played
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