My theory is using the centipede on Talbot is what causes the world to shatter. Simmons description of what the centipede did sounded like it would lead to it being out of control.
And that would have Yoyo's advice of don't "try" to save Coulson meaning don't look for the centipede syrum would be true. Along with Colson being the one to put everything back together from the seer.
I think its the combination of the Caterpiller the DNA and that Kree nut job formula.
The problem is that they give it to him and he goes berzerker mode and that's when he destroys the world before he dies.
I can't believe the season is coming to an end, this whole story line right from day one has been terrific.
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What are the odds that the right people vanishing at the right time is how they resolve this seasons conflicts, Then do they have to leave those threads dangling through the majority of the next season until Avengers 4 comes out? Maybe what we are heading into is a 1 year Gregg Clarke Hiatus rather than the end of his character as we know it?
What are the odds that the right people vanishing at the right time is how they resolve this seasons conflicts, Then do they have to leave those threads dangling through the majority of the next season until Avengers 4 comes out? Maybe what we are heading into is a 1 year Gregg Clarke Hiatus rather than the end of his character as we know it?
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That somehow the disintegration effect the team in a big way.
I would expect that because there are still rumors of the show being on the bubble that a big chunk of the team simply vanishes after they save the world. Just think of the emotions as the team stands around smiling all dirty and bruised up and Coulson opens his mouth and says "oh my" as his hand turns to dust, and May and Fitz both vanish.
The only ones that I think are safe are Mack and Deke and Daisy.
I don't why on Deke, but he's been pretty good. However I believe that even with Deke as the Grandson of Fitz and Simmons that he's safe if one of them dissolves because it gives the hope that this can be fixed. Or maybe one of Fitz or Simmons isn't a grandparent
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I doin't like Yoyo. Who knows how many loops she's been in, and she knows it, and when she meets past Yoyo she couldn't be specific? "Do/Don't give the serum to Coulson" "Talbot is the destroyer of worlds, not the young blonde" "that one agent betrayed you and you lose your arms" like she's lived this, she should know what to say. Instead it's "Hold Mac while you still can." I feel like this season would have ran a lot more smoothly for them if she could communicate better.
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I too agree that the season will end, after saving the world and celebrating, with several of the agents dusting.
I think that when old Yoyo met young YoYo she was pretty much traumatized and think of how boring it would have been if YoYo had the whole road map to the end of the world.
Robyn clearly knows the different courses of history and how things play out, but again if she wasn't damaged this would be a boring season.
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Yeah, not too long from "now" she hears about a chance to take out Kassius and goes to kill him. She fails, is killed and kept on ice because of her Inhuman DNA. Revived when it's needed.
Kree had the ability to bring back the dead seen through Coulson and that one future person that Deke seemed to like.
13 episode season, so I expect it will start up in the new year so they can time it with the release of Infinity War 2.
I was hoping for a full season, but I'll take this.
Now I can relax and watch the season finale.
It's like 50% of the season just disappeared. I wonder how....
Great to hear its coming back, even if it is a short season.
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So more on the renewal, be prepared to wait a while for next year as AOS is going to be a summer series. So they're going to do it like they did with Agent Carter (I really have to watch that one again someday)
Also, not necessarily the last season, if it does well in that slot they'll be more seasons. What saved the show is how well it does on delayed viewing.
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So more on the renewal, be prepared to wait a while for next year as AOS is going to be a summer series. So they're going to do it like they did with Agent Carter (I really have to watch that one again someday)
Also, not necessarily the last season, if it does well in that slot they'll be more seasons. What saved the show is how well it does on delayed viewing.
Interesting. If they are planning on season 6 after Avengers 4 then it is conceivable that every Agent of Shield could deal with IW ramifications in the season finale. I am a little disappointed because I was really excited to see how the "average joe" deals with the aftermath of Thanos.
I am not surprised at the delayed viewing numbers, Friday night timeslot isn't exactly prime TV viewing.
I wonder how it affects budget. Are they going to try to spend the same on less episodes to increase the overall quality again? In some ways I think the lower effects budget have really put the onus on the writers and it has paid off huge in this last season. I have loved the pacing and the dialogue but I am starting to wear a little on the Lighthouse.
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Interesting. If they are planning on season 6 after Avengers 4 then it is conceivable that every Agent of Shield could deal with IW ramifications in the season finale. I am a little disappointed because I was really excited to see how the "average joe" deals with the aftermath of Thanos.
They could still do that in a way. They could basically disintegrate a bunch of Shield members in the season finale and then start up the summer show with the immediate after math. I've got to think that with half the worlds population gone that the world really isn't going to be that good. So Shield would have to deal with that.
I've also got a feeling that
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While we might have seen the end of Kassius and the Mauraders (Great Band name btw), a earth with half of its population and its command and military structure probably gutted is going to be really vulnerable to aliens, or Hydra
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I am not surprised at the delayed viewing numbers, Friday night timeslot isn't exactly prime TV viewing.
I wonder how it affects budget. Are they going to try to spend the same on less episodes to increase the overall quality again? In some ways I think the lower effects budget have really put the onus on the writers and it has paid off huge in this last season. I have loved the pacing and the dialogue but I am starting to wear a little on the Lighthouse.
Hopefully they boost the budget, some of the effects when they've spent the money have been really good. But yeah, the lighthouse made things pretty claustrophobic, which works.
you know who I'd love to see next year is Oswald Patton returning as a full time member as one surviving brother
Coulson disintegrates and Billy becomes the Director of Shield
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So I've been rewatching Shield from season one. But one thing hit me tonight, I'm in the middle of Season 3 where Ward comes back as Hive. But they have an episode where Talbot is named the head of the ATCU. In his first mission with Coulson he betrays him to Hydra because Hydra snatched his son.
So here's what's neat. In the opening scene Talbot is dropping his wife off at the airport and she's upset and Talbot says "I can fix this". Then halfway through when Coulson learns that Talbot's son is a hostage of Hydra, Coulson tells Talbot that he can fix this.
It was an interesting bit of foreshadowing.
I want to look at the seasons so far and kind of rank them
So here we go
1) Agents of Shield Season 4 - This season splits between Ghost Rider and Aida and the Frame work. A really strong season with great acting. Mallory Jensen was awesome as Lady Hydra and AIDA. Still had one of the saddest death scenes in the series as she was never prepared understand emotions. Seeing Fitz as the completely evil driven number 2 in Hydra was foreshadowing for later
2) Season 1 - The series started slowly, but picked up halfway through when Hydra came into play. Still one of my favorite moments and I stole it while playing that spy game here on CalgaryPuck when Hydra sent the message "Out of the Darkness and into the light, Hail Hydra". The late Bill Paxton was terrific as the villain, and Wards betrayal was so well done, especially when he tried to kill FitzSimmons.
3) Season 3 - The Inhuman threat, we had so many neat stories. The search for Simmons. The murder of Ward by Coulson and his return as Hive. There was lots of dire circumstances in this season and the performances were really strong. They could have done a bit better with the Hive effect. But Ward/Hive was menacing and creepy
4) Season 2 - The inhuman war - With Shield being a renegade organization and the inhuman threat including Daisy transforming to Quake, this could have been a cool season. But it just didn't work. Daisy's father as played by Kyle MacLachan was a highlight. But Daisy's mother as played by Dichen Lachman just really didn't work. The ending was really well done with the fish oil. But the season felt flat
5) Season 5 - Don't panic. this is probably the best season of shield competing with season 4, but I want to see how it ends. As was pointed out brilliantly before, the cut in the budgets really forced the writers to bring their A game.
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Ok, before I slap on the obligatory spoiler tags, I have to say, I'm kind of saddened that I'm writing a review of Agents of Shield for the last time for about a year. I've enjoyed writing them, and I know that sometimes I'm kinda random in my writing (Thank you 9 concussions over my lifetime), but I really love putting my thoughts down on paper . . or electrons and I really appreciate the fact that people read it, debate it, and hopefully enjoy it (Look at me tonight getting all kinds of mushy.
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First of all, you could tell that this episode was being treated as a potential season ended, that's why the title "The End" was so apt.
But in the end, The End doesn't have to be the end, sometimes it can be a new beginning.
This episode was a complete emotional roller coaster from beginning to the end, and realistically didn't go the way that any of us thought that it would go.
What was incredibly well done is right through the episode there was a sense of incoming doom right to the end, and with some characters it really was the end.
The Episode started with the team basically arguing over the fate of the dying heart of Shield Phil Coulson. If they save him they lose a potential weapon against Talbot, if they don't they might save Coulson but the world dies. This was a heart wrenching and emotional argument with YoYo taking center stage with he desperate plea that Coulson had to die for the loop to break. During the exchange she broke down and exclaimed that "it was like being in a nightmare and I'm screaming and nobody can hear me. Natalia Cordova-Buckley really pulled out all of the stops here, and you felt so crushed by her desperation in arguing that Coulson needed to die. But they decided to leave it to a vote, however May made the decision for them by destroying the Kree chemical that they needed to mix with the Extremis formula.
What followed that was even worse as Coulson woke up and basically angrily said that the team had made the wrong choice, but then shared a tender moment with May before being encouraged to take the cure.
Throughout this we saw how crazed Talbot had become. As much as he said that he couldn't hear the voices, I'm convinced that Doctor Hall and Ian Quin were a part of his personality.
However Daisy finally hit a point that people forget so often when they watch TV shows. Talbot was really a victim in this as well. He's been shot, tortured, backstabbed, damaged and then given overwhelming power, and all he wants to do is fix it. Its sad to see how far Talbot had fallen from the heroic but sometimes overwhelmed character from early in the season.
Talbot does manage to get the location of the Gravitonium from poor Robyn by threatening to kill her mother and he heads to Chicago. Meanwhile the team heads to Chicago while Deke helps to prepare the lighthouse for the inevitable future. It was there that we finally saw a serious conversation between Daisy and Deke where he talks about leaving the Lighthouse to see the world before it ends, plus he also stated that if they broke the loop that he would vanish anyways.
So the team heads out to stop Talbot and Daisy realizes that she's not the leader that the team needs, and Mack who is the moral center of the team is the one they want. This is where I believe the loop starts to break as Mack decides that the mission is to save people. Meanwhile Daisy and a supposedly healthy Coulson go off to deal with Talbot, but now their main plan is to reason with him.
Of course Shield isn't Shield without turmoil and we see that Coulson didn't take the serum and he's going to die and he convinces Daisy to go and face him alone and she angrily tells him to go and take the serum.
Now here's what worked and didn't work in a way, even thought his episodes really stuck a lot of landings. The confrontation between Daisy and Talbot was short and long on talk as she appealed to his heroic nature, however Talbot in his damaged state immediately distrusted her and decided to absorb Daisy so he could use her powers to quake the world open to get the gravitation.
Again this is where that sense of dread comes in, as our hero's are out trying to save the people, Talbot begins to absorb Daisy, but she finds the caterpillar formula and injects herself which makes her Super Daisy.
You know how lately Calgarypuck favorite saving is I'd like to throw so and so into the sun? Well Daisy pretty much sent Talbot into orbit.
Meanwhile on the Zephyr Coulson collapses and poor YoYo decides to revive him and Robyn whispers "something is different" and with that the loop is broken.
So crisis averted right, and holy crap everyone is alive, except for Talbot who's now a orbiting satellite.
Not so fast, with everyone safe Fitz is hit by a collapsing ceiling and we get one of the most heart breaking and emotional death scenes as Mack and May stay with him as he dies.
Funny at that point I looked at my watch and only a half an hour had passed.
The second half of the episode was an emotional farewell, they portrayed it as a farewell to poor Fitz until they revealed that it was also a retirement party for Coulson, well until they showed an in memory plaque in the cockpit for Phil. apparently he was going to die anyways, and we had the team reminisce and say goodbye, and it was well done and sad especially when you consider that this could have been the series finally.
After telling Daisy how proud he was of her she breaks down and tells her she loves him, and then Phil decides the spend the last few days at Tahiti which he comments really is magical, he's then joined by May and Phil mentions that he has one more thing on his list and looks at May and tells her he wants to try to Parasail.
The last scene shows May and Coulson on the beach as the Zephyr streaks over head with what's left on the team.
Now I mentioned at the start that there was a sense of dread from start to finish, and up until the last credits there were. To be honest during the retirement/memorial/farewell scene which was well done and really emotional, I expected someone or multiple people to turn to dust. But I guess Jed Whedon really decided that we maybe had enough emotional punches to the feels.
So now we're left with a team of Mack as director, Daisy, YoYo and Simmons We lost Deke who probably vanished, Coulson, May and Fitz.
This season was the best of Shield and this episode was the best of that. If this was a gymnastics routine they really stuck the landing.
Random thoughts
There's a possibility that Gemma is holding hope to that she can find the other Fitz from the other time line floating in space. I think its unlikely to happen, but they left that there as a hint that Fitz could come back, though this one was pretty much broken in half.
There was no way that they could renege on Coulson dying after YoYo's scene during the argument, in terms of emotional beats that one was way too big to waste.
Now we know why they filmed most of the season in the lighthouse, because the effects and the scenery in this episode were soaring and epic. The effects were large and really well done, and the fight scene with Daisy felt like two super powers were fighting, until Daisy launched poor Talbot into orbit.
Its funny that I've commented throughout this series about the amazing fight choreography and scene blocking, but tonight there wasn't much in terms of a fight scene as the team focused on saving lives, and a long drawn out fight between Daisy and Talbot probably would have felt really wrong, instead the fight was fast, had huge impact and looked really amazing.
Oh well, that's it that's all, this episode did feel more like a series end then a season end so it had an epic emotional feel to it that might not be as powerful if they find a way to bring the lost members back.
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