Pentagon releases UFO videos

[Jiggy_12]

If visitors from another planet had the tech and desire to get here, and they wanted to be made known, then we would know.

No primitive government would be able to control that information.

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by troutman

That would be earth-shaking, but I think very unlikely. There would have to be so many people involved keeping this a secret, and we know from mathematical studies that large conspiracies are doomed to collapse. That big a secret with many actors involved, could not stay secret for very long.

They kept the fake moon landing secret so this would seem easy.

[Dion]

The Navy had been tracking the UAP's for 2 weeks before the Nimitz encounter'

Two weeks before the actual UFO encounter on November 14, 2004, the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group intermittently detected several unidentified aerial phenomena of a flying object that exhibited out-of-this-world capabilities. On November 10, 2004, former Petty Officer 3rd Class Gary Voorhis started noticing tracking mysterious aircraft while the strike group was approximately 100 miles off the coast of San Diego.

Voorhis was stationed on the USS Princeton, a Ticonderoga-class guided-missile cruiser. He remembers being on the two-week routine training exercise where he saw something on the radar that baffled him. The radar techs on the Princeton were getting “ghost tracks” and “clutter” on the ship’s radars. Voorhis was concerned about the mysterious blips on the radar, but the Princeton was using a new AN/SPY-1B passive radar system, and maybe it was malfunctioning or getting the kinks out. The air control systems were shut down and recalibrated because turning it off and turning it back on is how you fix all electronics apparently.

Voorhis, who was a six-year Navy veteran with two combat tours under his belt, was shocked to discover that the ghost tracks were even “sharper and clearer” after the crew finished the diagnostic check up on the radar. The naval radar registered these objects soaring as high as 80,000-feet in the air and then plummeting to sea level within seconds.

Voorhis revealed that the UFOs went underwater at times, and he knows this because sonar techs picked them up when they were in the ocean. Sonar techs tracked the objects traveling at 500 knots or 575 MPH while underwater.

“Once we finished all the recalibration and brought it back up, the tracks were actually sharper and clearer,” Voorhis says. “Sometimes they’d be at an altitude of 80,000 or 60,000 feet. Other times they’d be around 30,000 feet, going like 100 knots. Their radar cross-sections didn’t match any known aircraft; they were 100 percent red. No squawk, no IFF (Identification Friend or Foe).”

https://brobible.com/culture/article...terans-fravor/

[Dion]

Originally Posted by troutman

That would be earth-shaking, but I think very unlikely. There would have to be so many people involved keeping this a secret, and we know from mathematical studies that large conspiracies are doomed to collapse. That big a secret with many actors involved, could not stay secret for very long.

In fairness the US Government managed to keep secret all the experimental planes that were in the testing phase. Not saying that's the case here.

[Alpha_Q]

Originally Posted by Dion

In fairness the US Government managed to keep secret all the experimental planes that were in the testing phase. Not saying that's the case here.

I believe at least 2 of these aircraft - the U2 and the A12 - were secret during the bulk of their operations as well. Both programs required civilian technical input and permissions from foreign governments (The U2s flew from Pakistan and landed in Norway). I think keeping a piece of static space junk a secret would be far easier, and not require much foreign involvement.

Still, this ain't a hill I'm gonna defend much further. I'm just curious as per why the Pentagon would acknowledge these videos, when they had no pressing reason to do so.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Alpha_Q

I believe at least 2 of these aircraft - the U2 and the A12 - were secret during the bulk of their operations as well. Both programs required civilian technical input and permissions from foreign governments (The U2s flew from Pakistan and landed in Norway). I think keeping a piece of static space junk a secret would be far easier, and not require much foreign involvement.

Still, this ain't a hill I'm gonna defend much further. I'm just curious as per why the Pentagon would acknowledge these videos, when they had no pressing reason to do so.

Someone in the Pentagon released the videos by mistake. They were forced to acknowledge that the events did happen and they didn't have a explanation for what was seen by the Navy Group.

[missdpuck]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I think that Soda, fast food and especially MacDonalds, chocolate were all inspired by alien intervention to fatten us up and make us taste better. They also addicted us to TV.


One day massive harvester space ships will land here and Aliens will come out with free samples of chips and cheese wrapped in bacon and tell us that they have 631 free stations on the 96 inch 3d TV's inside and we'll willingly march our way onto the processing line with chocolate on our faces and Kim Kardasian on our minds.

It’s a cookbook!

[Alpha_Q]

Originally Posted by Dion

Someone in the Pentagon released the videos by mistake. They were forced to acknowledge that the events did happen and they didn't have a explanation for what was seen by the Navy Group.

I don't think they were forced to acknowledge anything. Did anyone of any consequence even ask for an explanation? These videos have been available online for years.

Anyway, the Pentagon's response is unusual. I'll leave it at that.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Alpha_Q

I don't think they were forced to acknowledge anything. Did anyone of any consequence even ask for an explanation? These videos have been available online for years.

Anyway, the Pentagon's response is unusual. I'll leave it at that.

Okay, maybe forced was not the right term.

The Navy cryptically says it has top-secret UFO briefings that would cause 'exceptionally grave damage' to US national security if published

All three videos had previously been leaked, prompting the Navy to confirm their authenticity in September in response to a Freedom of Information Act request.

It said in January that some briefing material it had about the videos was classified as top secret and would cause "exceptionally grave damage to the National Security of the United States" if released.

A spokeswoman for the Pentagon had also previously told The Black Vault, a civilian-run archive of government documents, that the videos "were never officially released to the general public by the DOD and should still be withheld."

"I very much expected that when the US military addressed the videos, they would coincide with language we see on official documents that have now been released, and they would label them as 'drones' or 'balloons,'" he said.

"However, they did not. They went on the record stating the 'phenomena' depicted in those videos, is 'unidentified.' That really made me surprised, intrigued, excited, and motivated to push harder for the truth."

https://www.businessinsider.com/navy...20-1?r=US&IR=T

[CaptainCrunch]

I decided to have a nice dinner tonight. I grilled up some stakes, steamed some nice healthy veggies and on a whim made some mashed potatoes. Once I got done preparing a plate in my lonely isolation I sat down at the table, and then I blacked out and woke up an hour later to this.



Anyone want to tell me what in the wide world of sports is going on.

[Vox]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I decided to have a nice dinner tonight. I grilled up some stakes, steamed some nice healthy veggies and on a whim made some mashed potatoes. Once I got done preparing a plate in my lonely isolation I sat down at the table, and then I blacked out and woke up an hour later to this.



Anyone want to tell me what in the wide world of sports is going on.

That made me smile. 👍

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Is it any more ore less plausible to think that even within a universe teeming with intelligent life, we here on earth remain on the cutting edge of new technology? Maybe we are the ones who have advanced the furthest.

Extremely unlikely considering the math, but maybe most advanced within a certain amount of area or time period.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by troutman

The specific question posed to Neil was "do I believe in UFOs or extra-terrestial visitors"?

He says basically if something is "unidentified" you can't make any conclusions about it. I infer he believes that the probability of alien life in the universe is high, and the probability that we are being visited is low.

Regarding his misconduct:
https://www.vox.com/2019/7/29/893484...igation-museum

I was a bit surprised he was brought back for Cosmos.

He wasn't brought back from what I heard. They were already balls deep in filming when everything broke with the allegations. That's why they delayed the release from spring 2019 to early 2020. On a financial level it made sense to just wait it out.

To reshoot the entire show (you'd have to as Neil is literally the centre of the show) would be catastrophic to the point of it making more sense to just cancel.

If this news dropped before filming you can guarantee they would have moved on from him.

[jayswin]

Still must be a little awkward for Seth McFarlane who was very outspoken about Hollywood's bull**** handling of sexual harassment, including "waiting for things to blow over". Now he's executive producer on a show that waited things out because...money.

[Dion]

Interesting comments from Bruce Fenton.

Bruce Fenton
Genomic SETI Initiative
Dear Sadanand Pandey

'Proof' is an unduly high standard to start with, I think it better to ask if there is any compelling evidence.

I am on a personal campaign to found a new field which would move away from the term UFO and address only aerial phenomena that is in some way truly anomalous. I have zero interest in satellites, planets and airplanes which people have failed to identify and therefore are counted as Unidentified Flying Objects. Far too often the term UFO is used as a placeholder for alien space craft, which is not what the term really means. UFOs are everything that an imbecile does not recognise in the sky - and an imbecile will recognise almost nothing at all beyond passenger planes and common birds.

There is compelling evidence for a range of anomalous aerial phenomena. This includes luminous spheres which seem to be a form of plasma-like energy rather than truly solid objects. These spheres are usually lumped together under 'ball lightening' but in reality the observations seem to suggest at least two different types, one that is very much tied to storm activity and another that has little direct connection as best as can be seen. Keep in mind here that ball lighting is just a name put on a very mysterious phenomena that has yet to be understood or fully replicated in a lab. Giving something strange a name is not the same as explaining it away.

In my opinion (and not mine alone) there is also growing evidence for the existence of strange saucer-shaped organisms in our upper atmosphere. Think of them as possibly a kind of sky jellyfish. I would classify these as extremophiles because we see them in NASA videos all the way up in the exosphere but they range between there and the troposphere, possibly needing to spawn at surface level or perform some other function here. It may simply be that different varieties inhabit different altitudes. There are some very strange flying saucer reports where it appears animals are stunned and consumed by these organisms, and in several cases people have said it seemed as though the 'craft' got slightly bigger after taking the animal inside. Does that sound like an alien space craft abducting a creature for study or an organism ingesting prey? It is also often reported that corpses of animals that are associated with visitations of these saucers are not fed upon by carrion eaters, not even by worms or flies. In my mind that suggests a toxin is used, and it is familiar enough to terrestrial creatures that they know its smell and will avoid these bodies. This can only come about over a great period of interaction, for evolution to have informed instinctual behaviour in so many potential carrion eaters I would suggest these saucer-shaped organisms have been around for a very long time.

The third class of anomalous aerial phenomena is of course the structured aerial vehicles of unknown manufacturing and origination. We can easily imagine some of these are secret military projects and there is a history of governments using the UFO subject to cover up secret planes. The recent revelations from the US AATIP program and the Navy response appear to suggest that some of these are not US controlled. Are they Russian or Chinese? Maybe. Whoever is controlling them has broken our laws of physics, because it should not be possible to travel at 20,000mph and then make instantaneous right-angle turns or dead stop. Certainly not without your craft ripping to pieces! We also have a long history of witness claims in regards to actual alien craft, complete with beings, landing and interacting. This is of course anecdotal, but it is a form of evidence none the less (in our legal systems a witness statement can have you in prison for life).

There is then a range of genuine anomalous aerial phenomena needing far more detailed scientific investigation (at present there is virtually none). We need to divide up these into the correct categories and assign them to specialists. There is little point in an aerospace engineer researching atmospheric extremophiles and we do not want an exobiologist trying to understand anomalous high energy phenomena. As with any genuine field of science Anomalous Aerial Phenomena should be separated in accurate sub-divisions.

All of them should start out sounding totally crazy, great new discoveries usually do not come from the known and expected, or the familiar and easy to comprehend. If such studies found no strong evidence of anything interesting then at least we can all forget all about UFOs and everyone involved will find other hobbies.

As for whether there is scientific evidence that supports and alien visitation to this planet, yes, this exists. This comes in the form of both technosignatures and genomics, what Prof Paul Davies calls Genetic SETI and the DNA WOW signal. I will leave it there as I have written a long comment and I have no idea if this thread is still active.

https://www.researchgate.net/post/Do...Have_Any_Proof

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by Dion

Interesting comments from Bruce Fenton.

Ok, let’s check them out.

In my opinion (and not mine alone) there is also growing evidence for the existence of strange saucer-shaped organisms in our upper atmosphere. Think of them as possibly a kind of sky jellyfish. I would classify these as extremophiles because we see them in NASA videos all the way up in the exosphere but they range between there and the troposphere, possibly needing to spawn at surface level or perform some other function here. It may simply be that different varieties inhabit different altitudes. There are some very strange flying saucer reports where it appears animals are stunned and consumed by these organisms, and in several cases people have said it seemed as though the 'craft' got slightly bigger after taking the animal inside. Does that sound like an alien space craft abducting a creature for study or an organism ingesting prey? It is also often reported that corpses of animals that are associated with visitations of these saucers are not fed upon by carrion eaters, not even by worms or flies. In my mind that suggests a toxin is used, and it is familiar enough to terrestrial creatures that they know its smell and will avoid these bodies. This can only come about over a great period of interaction, for evolution to have informed instinctual behaviour in so many potential carrion eaters I would suggest these saucer-shaped organisms have been around for a very long time.

WTF?

[photon]

Larval stage of Bigfoot probably.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

Ok, let’s check them out.



WTF?

I guess its talking about this

Spoiler!

[Snuffleupagus]

This is a nice read on the Fermi paradox, what started as a lunchtime remark in the 50's has had extraterrestrial researchers scratching their heads in the decades since.

[missdpuck]

https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/...al-phenomenon/

Art Bell had an episode about “rods” and “sky fish” that I caught during one of my bouts of insomnia.

According to the guest they can fly up to 300 mph and disintegrate when captured.

At work the next day we threw “rods” of all sorts at each other.

And here’s a 2013 “sighting” outside Calgary, but it looks like a centipede-like trick of the light for sure:

https://aerial-phenomenon.org/tag/rods/