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Old 08-13-2018, 11:29 PM   #1281
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I am not sure if this thread has anything to do with Sam Bennett anymore, but I was looking at some of the Flames franchise best and worst, inspired from another thread.

I see Bennett is the 2nd worst +/- player in the history of the Flames franchise with a -46. The only Flame worse is Atlanta Flame Jacques Richard with a -59. Third worse is Chris Butler at -42. If Bennett hits his career average of -15, in 2018-19, he'll have the lowest +/- of any player in Flames history at -61.

I know some will say +/- is meaningless, but to have the second lowest number among all the players in 47 years is not very good.

I'm hoping he finds a way to become a plus player.
Yikes. Plus minus is not a great stat but a number that gross is a lagging indicator of something after a while.

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Old 08-14-2018, 09:17 AM   #1282
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Yikes. Plus minus is not a great stat but a number that gross is a lagging indicator of something after a while.
Yeah last season in isolation makes sense given is on ice shooting percentage. When he and everyone he's on the ice with for his minutes last year shoot under NHL replacement player you're going to have a terrible plus minus.

Bennett, Backlund and Frolik were 18th, 20th and 21st on the team in PDO last year which would really hurt all three players +/- (Backlund was last at -21, Frolik 2nd last at -19, Bennett -18). Backlund and Frolik had sub 90% save percentages when on the ice too.

Man the Flames had some strange stats last year.

Bottom line is Bennett has something to do with his lack of success, but last year alone was an odd year for he and a few others.
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Old 08-14-2018, 09:32 AM   #1283
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Yeah last season in isolation makes sense given is on ice shooting percentage. When he and everyone he's on the ice with for his minutes last year shoot under NHL replacement player you're going to have a terrible plus minus.

Bennett, Backlund and Frolik were 18th, 20th and 21st on the team in PDO last year which would really hurt all three players +/- (Backlund was last at -21, Frolik 2nd last at -19, Bennett -18). Backlund and Frolik had sub 90% save percentages when on the ice too.

Man the Flames had some strange stats last year.

Bottom line is Bennett has something to do with his lack of success, but last year alone was an odd year for he and a few others.
Guess I'm stating the obvious but there are a few guys on the team that need to prove last year was an aberration. Bennett, Frolik and Brodie tops among them.

At some point, prolonged low shooting percentages and save percentages when you are on the ice mean you're doing something wrong vs. unlucky.
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Old 08-14-2018, 11:46 AM   #1284
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If he struggles at centre, do you think Bergevin would trade Jonathan Drouin for Bennett and a pick?
I'd rather have Drouin over Bennett any day of the week but not sure how Flames could fit in his $5.5M cap hit. They'll be tight for cap space. I think upping Tkachuk and making sure the Flames have a legit starting goalie (upping Smith, Rittich/Gillies, trade for goalie etc) after next season are bigger priorities.
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Old 08-14-2018, 12:02 PM   #1285
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Wait, you weren't saying "gross" to trading Bennett and a pick for Drouin?
Yes. Not a fan of Drouin.
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Old 09-27-2018, 10:06 AM   #1286
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Bumped.......all other threads seem to get hijacked by differing views of the ever polarizing Sam Bennett.
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Old 09-27-2018, 10:11 AM   #1287
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How about that Mark Jankowski kid.
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Old 09-27-2018, 10:12 AM   #1288
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How about that Mark Jankowski kid.
He wasn't as good as Sam Bennett last year.
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Old 09-27-2018, 10:19 AM   #1289
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How about that Mark Jankowski kid.
I'd give him more time as he had 17 goals in rookie season. He's older than Bennett but I look more at games played. He's also a center.
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Old 10-02-2018, 09:02 AM   #1290
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Cruikshank has a good article today on Bennett and his role now with the team. It's paywall so I won't quote too much.

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Whenever​ Mikael Backlund​ looked up from his stall​ in the​ Calgary​ Flames’​ dressing room,​ he could see​ himself.
No,​​ not in a mirror.
But directly across from him resided a player with an eerily similar history.
A highly touted forward nabbed in the first round of the NHL draft. A fellow whose opening years have been plagued by inconsistency; by a wide range of roles and expectations; by a turnstile of taskmasters; by growing disappointment, self-inflicted and otherwise.
There sat Sam Bennett.

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Conroy has had his own players tell him that no one hits harder than Bennett – and that’s just in practice. For the Flames, that rugged side of No. 93 is the key to unlocking his potential.
“When you see Sam at his best, it’s usually in the playoffs – that’s when he rises,” said Conroy. “As an organization, that’s what we’re hoping for on a nightly basis. I know it’s hard to play that way, with that edge, with that physicality (every regular season game). But if he can, it’s going to make him very effective and hard to play against. Because guys know when he’s out there – they’re looking over their shoulders. They’re not quite sure what he’s going to do.
https://theathletic.com/560333/2018/...-lot-to-prove/
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Old 10-02-2018, 09:08 AM   #1291
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Cruikshank has a good article today on Bennett and his role now with the team. It's paywall so I won't quote too much.






https://theathletic.com/560333/2018/...-lot-to-prove/
if Bennett becomes a harder hitting Backlund, I'd be very happy.
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Old 10-02-2018, 09:25 AM   #1292
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Ahh playoff Bennett... reason enough to be patient with him. Hopefully we'll be back in the dance this season, he's always been great that time of year.
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In some ways there's less pressure on Bennett this season than ever. Now that we have other promising forwards, we don't really need Bennett to become a 1C or 2C. Maybe that'll help him? We have a new season, new potential linemates and a new coach. I'm ready to be optimistic again but I reserve the right to flip flop on the first bad offensive zone penalty with actual points on the line.
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Old 10-02-2018, 10:17 AM   #1294
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if Bennett becomes a harder hitting Backlund, I'd be very happy.
Backlund with a side order of Mike Peca? Yes, please.
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Old 10-02-2018, 10:45 AM   #1295
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Have to wonder if Conroy was talking about Bennett being the hardest hitter now or also when Ferland was here.
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Old 10-02-2018, 10:57 AM   #1296
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Have to wonder if Conroy was talking about Bennett being the hardest hitter now or also when Ferland was here.
Ferland definitely hit harder on eyes alone.
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Bennett naturally plays an up tempo north south game which I think will compliment Peters new direction more so than the previous regime. Whether he can score consistently is another issue, but come playoffs I think he has the potential to be a major game changer with hits and timely goals.
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Old 10-02-2018, 11:27 AM   #1298
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Ferland definitely hit harder on eyes alone.
Someone on here said it best: “he hits with the weight of a neutron star”.

I think that was after the sequin hit.
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Old 10-02-2018, 11:34 AM   #1299
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I think that was after the sequin hit.
I see this fairly often, but I'm confused why people mistakenly use Sequin over Seguin so often! Autocorrect?
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I see this fairly often, but I'm confused why people mistakenly use Sequin over Seguin so often! Autocorrect?
I’m not sure but I noticed it and decided it was still applicable.

Here’s the sequin sequence:

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