The Matthew Tkachuk contract negotiations

[Imported_Aussie]

I think Treliving may be holding for another comparable RFA to go.
If you use Marner and Aho as comparable players, a simplistic analysis using PPG would put Tkachuk at around 9M on 6 years based off Marner and 8M on 5b years based on Aho.
No forward in that tier has signed a bridge, no one has maxed term. If we get another signing at 5 or 6 years, that may help land a deal of that term. Get a couple of full term or bridge deals, those become easier.
A 3 year bridge with a bigger amount to qualify, kind of like the McAvoy deal, would be interesting, to allow the team to compete while Gio and Gaudreau are under contract, then recalibrate the salary structure.

If the contract is long term, and putting the flames over the cap, I wouldn't be surprised to see a deal sending Frolik to Columbus with a pick. They are short picks and NHL proven forwards, and have cap space to burn

[Two Fivenagame]

Sorry if this had already been asked/covered -

Is there a possible LTIR move that BT could leverage for cap relief?

For example: could the flames acquire (via trade) a player that will be put on LTIR?

[SniperJ]

Originally Posted by Dube

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coyotes...ldout-tkachuk/

he sure didn't help Phoenix's financial struggle

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Dube

It’s actually called a hot take

Nope. That’s a bold prediction. Hot takes are contrary opinions about present or past events. Eg: James Neal was not given enough ice time (not a real opinion of mine but just an example).

[Vansmack]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Nope. That’s a bold prediction. Hot takes are contrary opinions about present or past events. Eg: James Neal was not given enough ice time (not a real opinion of mine but just an example).

I think the joke was about the "hot takes" thread, which contained mostly "bold predictions" which was the more appropriately named thread.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by SniperJ

he sure didn't help Phoenix's financial struggle

Not his job to do so either.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Two Fivenagame

Sorry if this had already been asked/covered -

Is there a possible LTIR move that BT could leverage for cap relief?

For example: could the flames acquire (via trade) a player that will be put on LTIR?

Well they could, but why would they do that? How does it help them?

It keeps them at the cap ceiling and gives them aero room for a deadline deal.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Two Fivenagame

Sorry if this had already been asked/covered -

Is there a possible LTIR move that BT could leverage for cap relief?

For example: could the flames acquire (via trade) a player that will be put on LTIR?

Adding a contract so that we can get relief for the same amount doesn’t help cap wise - its going to be net zero.

However, if you traded some cap hit away for a LTIR contract, it could help.

[btimbit]

Anyone know what the hold up is or how far apart they are? Starting to get pretty pissed. Missing training camp is unacceptable

[TheIronMaiden]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Anyone know what the hold up is or how far apart they are? Starting to get pretty pissed. Missing training camp is unacceptable

I think that its pretty well expected that he will wait all the way until the day before game one. Anything earlier would come as a surprise. Its the cost of business when trying to get the best deal possible for the team.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by btimbit

Anyone know what the hold up is or how far apart they are? Starting to get pretty pissed. Missing training camp is unacceptable

Well, this was offered by a site member before the weekend:

Originally Posted by the-rasta-masta

I've been told from a good source that the Flames offered $7.75 and Tkachuk's camp wants $9.5. No mention of what the term is.

And then this was reported by Friedman:

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Friedman on 960 says that he is hearing Flames and Tkachuk are now talking about term (contract length) that they were not discussing before.

Followed by this:

Originally Posted by united

On the most recent episode of 31 Thoughts: The Pocast, Elliotte Friedman indicates that the Flames have already told Tkachuk they acknowledge he will become their highest-paid player, the question is how much higher than Gio/Gaudreau.

I think the lack of much useful information on how the negotiation is progressing is likely a product of how closely Treliving tends to play his cards to his vest.

[bax]

3 years 6.75 with a big QO or 6 years 8.35

[Monahammer]

At this point I let him sit until he comes down.

He is the one that will lose out on money sitting part/all of the season. Then we can do it all again next year... I also feel like the flames could potentially stay above water in the conference during his absence, which in my mind cuts some of the urgency on our end. If he really wants to be petulant about it let him toil in the swiss leagues.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

At this point I let him sit until he comes down.

He is the one that will lose out on money sitting part/all of the season. Then we can do it all again next year... I also feel like the flames could potentially stay above water in the conference during his absence, which in my mind cuts some of the urgency on our end.
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I doubt the Flames will take that position, they will want this to be sorted out before the seasons starts.

If for what ever reason the signing does not occur by the December 1 deadline,

This creates a glaring hole within the lineup that would have to be addressed IMO

I personally would avoid, listening to the speculation on what was offered etc.... I would bet its all false.

[SuperMatt18]

So for forwards you've now had Marner sign 6 years at $10.9M, and Konecny sign at 6 years at $5.5M.

Marner: 241 GP, 224 PTS (94 points last season)

Konecny: 233 GP, 124 PTS (49 points last season)

Tkachuk falls directly in the middle of those two from a points perspective. Marner has 50 more points over his career, (+17 last season), Konecny has 50 fewer (-27 last season)

Tkachuk: 224 GP, 174 PTS (77 points last season)

Assuming that Tkachuk falls right in the middle of those two contracts on a 6 year deal that would put him at $8.2M for 6 years. Tkachuk is a year younger than both, and had a better contract year than Konecny, so you are probably looking at a bit of a premium there, so say $8.5M for 6 years.

[Monahammer]

6 years, 7.2 million:

Year Salary
1 6
2 6.5
3 6.5
4 7
5 8
6 9.2

Highest paid flame by AAV, but keeps out of the highest yearly salary until some of his comrades have chances to negotiate again. Also keeps him respectful of the captain.
Scales up rapidly as he approaches his UFA years. His QO above 9 million also ensures that's the starting point AAV for next contract.

Plus this allows the flames to work cap wise if we put czarnik in the minors. It would also allow a trade of something like Frolik+Czarnik + 1st for Toffoli (I might get laughed away for this one but I don't mind it as the basis.)

[Manhattanboy]

6 @ $8.19 million

You heard it here first.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

6 years, 7.2 million:

Year Salary
1 6
2 6.5
3 6.5
4 7
5 8
6 9.2

Highest paid flame by AAV, but keeps out of the highest yearly salary until some of his comrades have chances to negotiate again. Also keeps him respectful of the captain.
Scales up rapidly as he approaches his UFA years. His QO above 9 million also ensures that's the starting point AAV for next contract.

Plus this allows the flames to work cap wise if we put czarnik in the minors. It would also allow a trade of something like Frolik+Czarnik + 1st for Toffoli (I might get laughed away for this one but I don't mind it as the basis.)

He would be UFA so the last year bump is meaningless. I think you would be paying more in AAV on a 6 year deal easily.

[CroFlames]

I think they settle at 6x9MM

And I really hope this gets wrapped up like yesterday. Missing camp is not good for anyone.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I think they settle at 6x9MM

And I really hope this gets wrapped up like yesterday. Missing camp is not good for anyone.

I will be stunned of the cap number begins with 9.