Major Water Main Break in Bowness Area

[mrkajz44]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Stang

But thats easily debunked. Whether or not people choose to accept it is another thing.

But his theory is, if the Bearspaw plant is cut off from the majority of the city, then the communities that are not cut off should have an abundance of water available to them.

I just want to know if there is anything correct about that. It seems too simple to me, as the system is interconnected, water pressures, local reservoirs and storage places, pump stations, etc.

I’m not looking to justify more usage or to minimize the need for restrictions and the state of emergency, but to understand if there is any truth to it (and possibly debunk it).

I don't know the actual answer as I know next to nothing about distributing water to a city, but I suspect its just a rumor made up and passed on by people so they feel justified to not use less water.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Stang

I saw a comment online that suggests that Tuscany, for example, shouldn't have to conserve water because we are served by the Bearspaw treatment plant. Upstream of the issue, so to speak.

Is there any truth to this? It seems like an oversimplification and possibly incorrect, but i don’t have the knowledge to debunk or confirm.

Tons of truth. Most of the water from the Bearspaw plant goes to the city through the broken main. But it also goes straight north to the portion of the city west of Nose Hill Park. That pipeline network isn't really interconnected to the rest of the network. So those of us that live in that area our conservation isn't helping anything. Bearspaw plant has tons of extra capacity and our pipeline network isn't stressed.

The city isn't saying this because people are morons and would assume that anyone in the NW was fine to go nuts, which isn't true. And then other people in the south would be like, "well, the NW doesn't have to cut back so I don't have to either." Basically the only reason for restrictions in that area is that people are idiots.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by fotze2

As I disclaimed if you read my posts. I bet their strategy will be change now. Isn’t a statement of impacting 10,000 or more people written in your risk matrices. Or whatever number.

I haven't done pipeline system risk matrices for like 10 years, but iirc we had a reputation category, and something along the lines of "makes negative national news on a consistent basis" was a 4/extreme.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Zary's-Mustache

I'm also surprised by the keep showers to 5 minutes or less comments by the city...

How long are people's showers typically? Mine are like 4-5 minutes max always.

Originally Posted by Looch City

And using laundry and dishwasher only when they're full.

Like what, y'all are normally running them with 3 pieces of clothes or a single spoon and fork??

Do not understand lol

Honestly? You never know.

I recall during the Carbon Tax debate a few years back people were talking about idling their Trucks for 10-15 minutes to warm them up or keeping their houses at a nice balmy 25+ degrees which, to me...is insane.

Thats how some people operate.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

Tons of truth. Most of the water from the Bearspaw plant goes to the city through the broken main. But it also goes straight north to the portion of the city west of Nose Hill Park. That pipeline network isn't really interconnected to the rest of the network. So those of us that live in that area our conservation isn't helping anything. Bearspaw plant has tons of extra capacity and our pipeline network isn't stressed.

The city isn't saying this because people are morons and would assume that anyone in the NW was fine to go nuts, which isn't true. And then other people in the south would be like, "well, the NW doesn't have to cut back so I don't have to either." Basically the only reason for restrictions in that area is that people are idiots.

I'm just curious how you came to this conclusion? Was it just looking at pipe maps, or do you have info from an expert on Calgary's system that agreed?

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Stang

I saw a comment online that suggests that Tuscany, for example, shouldn't have to conserve water because we are served by the Bearspaw treatment plant. Upstream of the issue, so to speak.

Is there any truth to this? It seems like an oversimplification and possibly incorrect, but i don’t have the knowledge to debunk or confirm.

This one might be true. There is still 130 (I think) million litres being supplied by bearspaw. So provided that there isn’t interconnects to the rest of the main system then it’s correct. I think the video a few pages back covered it.

The people saying Glenmore supplied shouldn’t be part of it are wrong because that’s supplying the whole city now.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

We have someone in this thread who says that the south should be good as well because of the Glenmore Reservoir.

Surprised how much that comment got passed over.

[Fuzz]

If you look at the map on page 31(it's been posted elsewhere before)


https://pievc.ca/wp-content/uploads/...tem-Report.pdf


You can see there are several lines that seem to connect. I just assume it's a lot more complicated than looknig at something like they may have reversed flow directions on some(? no idea), and there are also all the storage cisterns that complicate the picture. That's why I was wondering if an expert has said that, or it's just based on assumptions.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Stang

This is tiresome. Even paying minimal attention at any point over the last week will answer these questions.



Golf courses aren’t using treated, city water. You can wash your clothes. You can have showers. Just be conscious of the water used, and be economical where possible. You can water your plants if you have a watering can and catch some rain/grey water.



Thus isn’t as difficult, dramatic, or political as some are determined to make it.

To be fair, the FAQ is only talking about the 5 city courses, it doesn't mention what the private courses are using.

Some private courses feed from their ponds/lakes, but one has to ask, what tops those up? We have lakes such as Bonavista being topped up with tap water, so it's not much to assume some private courses may also be using potable water, especially those not near a river or other large raw water source.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Looch City

And using laundry and dishwasher only when they're full.

Like what, y'all are normally running them with 3 pieces of clothes or a single spoon and fork??

Do not understand lol

Some people do run their dishwasher every day. I've seen it with my own eyes many times. It's bizarre.

I, like other intelligent people, wait until mine is over capacity.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Surprised how much that comment got passed over.

I suspect it is because that guy is an idiot and most people just ignore him.

[fotze2]

Someone has to have made this comparison.

It’s bloody Immortan Gondek at the valves.

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by Looch City

And using laundry and dishwasher only when they're full.

Like what, y'all are normally running them with 3 pieces of clothes or a single spoon and fork??

Do not understand lol

Nah, I know quite a few people who run the dishwasher every night even it's only 1/4 to 1/2 full. Hopefully they get into the habit of waiting for it to fill up.

If this main break happened a week earlier it would have saved me over $1k in landscaping costs this year.

[Mr.Coffee]

I’ve looked but does anyone know if the work being done is basically 24/7 or is it like 8 hr shifts per day with 4 breaks. Are there details revealed on how diligently the city is handling this repair and exactly what they’re doing? Is there double time employees on this, are we maxing our resources? I know they will say they are but are there details?

I assume the city is “doing everything they can” but I’m pretty skeptical and suspect things could be improved and expedited because 5 weeks strikes me as pretty long, but not totally sure on the scope.

Also hate how the second anyone questions anything on here the sages of rational thought descend and attack in here as how dare anybody question anything (although government track record pretty much shows you should question probably everything).

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I’ve looked but does anyone know if the work being done is basically 24/7 or is it like 8 hr shifts per day with 4 breaks. Are there details revealed on how diligently the city is handling this repair and exactly what they’re doing? Is there double time employees on this, are we maxing our resources? I know they will say they are but are there details?

I assume the city is “doing everything they can” but I’m pretty skeptical and suspect things could be improved and expedited because 5 weeks strikes me as pretty long, but not totally sure on the scope.

Also hate how the second anyone questions anything on here the sages of rational thought descend and attack in here as how dare anybody question anything (although government track record pretty much shows you should question probably everything).

The original repair will likely be done prior to the other ones recently discovered. They are working 24/7 though, but there's only so much manpower you can throw at it. For welding, probably one or two at a time at best. A lot of the work is done by excavators, where 2 are likely all you need. I imagine they are always moving forward, but it's a localized jobsite.

The big reason that there is a big jump in the fotecast is that the new breaks may not be as easily accessible, and now you have to dig it up as well (previous break it did most of that for them). This probably is going to mean hydrovaccing to expose it which isn't the fastest method. As well, replacement pipe segments now having to be sourced from afar or manufactured.

Now... If they don't have those private contractors mobilizing to the other sites yet, then I bet contracts team is holding things up.... That I'm not sure if they are already trying to get on site or not

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I’ve looked but does anyone know if the work being done is basically 24/7 or is it like 8 hr shifts per day with 4 breaks. Are there details revealed on how diligently the city is handling this repair and exactly what they’re doing? Is there double time employees on this, are we maxing our resources? I know they will say they are but are there details?

I assume the city is “doing everything they can” but I’m pretty skeptical and suspect things could be improved and expedited because 5 weeks strikes me as pretty long, but not totally sure on the scope.

Also hate how the second anyone questions anything on here the sages of rational thought descend and attack in here as how dare anybody question anything (although government track record pretty much shows you should question probably everything).

Nobody cares if people ask questions. People look like idiots when they ask questions they already have their own answers to. Like having no idea how long something can or should take and still suggesting it could be done faster.

What’s the government “track record” you’re referring to that should naturally lead us to question how they’re handling this fix?

[Fuzz]

I wonder if some of the other weak spots they need to get to are in challenging locations? Seems like 5 repairs shouldn't take much longer than one, and I know 1 is ahead of the others, but they should all be able to be worked on at the same time, right?

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I wonder if some of the other weak spots they need to get to are in challenging locations? Seems like 5 repairs shouldn't take much longer than one, and I know 1 is ahead of the others, but they should all be able to be worked on at the same time, right?

Yes all will be worked on concurrently.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Nobody cares if people ask questions.

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

I’m surprised there isn’t, honestly. Especially with empty brain comments like “this feels like every other restriction out there” you know there’s a whole section of the population convinced this is some government control scheme (and, to be fair, I’m pretty sure I’ve seen some conspiracy about how the government is using this to control our water permanently…).

I think Ozy asked this with more of a mental health angle in another thread, but I’m curious why the dumbest people imaginable are always the angry ones or the ones that take the most issue with the way things are being done?

I’m ignorant to most of what’s going on here. It’s bliss. I don’t know how to fix the pipe or how the water system works exactly and frankly, I do not care. That’s someone’s job and I trust that they’re doing to the best of their ability and things will get worked out when they get worked out. The thought that people are making up restrictions to control us never crosses my mind, though, I’m smart enough to read the restrictions and understand I am still allowed to shower and do laundry.

But there is apparently a threshold of ignorance that is not “bliss,” considering every time some angry dildo brings up some point they think is remotely well considered it’s debunked by like 15 people in two seconds. And the weirdest part is the confidence. Confidently stupid. Confident that they’ve figured out the issue, or seen through the bull####, and somehow everyone else are sheep or something. How do these people function? Like, how does a typical day work, do you think? What do you think the carbon tax protestors get up to date to day outside that gas station?

I don’t know, kind of off topic, but it gives me very little hope that post-COVID even a water main break has the same dumb people making the same category of dumb comments. All restrictions are the same. Every government order is a conspiracy. Every emergency is made to control us. Just mind numbingly stupid.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

Yes all will be worked on concurrently.

OK, but then shouldn't it be another 10 to 15 days max? A big chunk of the time frame looks to be cleaning and flushing the line, and that should also only need to be done once. Or are their other issues? Just curious on the timeline because it's a bit baffling if it is just 4 more of the same.