Major Water Main Break in Bowness Area

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Right, he's saying that by the time they're through they might find more locations.



... so do we give Curves his victory lap now or what's the deal with that?

Why? He certainly hasn't won a victory. If anything he was wrong, our experts found additional issues and have made a good decision to repair. It proves him wrong that they are actually prepared and have the knowledge to handle these big issues.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Right, he's saying that by the time they're through they might find more locations.

... so do we give Curves his victory lap now or what's the deal with that?

A victory lap would be due if the City didn’t identify the problems and the mains burst again after everything got buried again.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by I-Hate-Hulse

I know showering and toilet flushes are lower in theory by working at home, but I have my doubts as to how many people would actually follow through with this discipline....

So....what about Stampede?

I’m interested in all these ideas to save water and whether they just move consumption around. Does moving a mass of people from the stampede grounds to their houses change water use? Not having hotel guests would cut usage as you reduce overall population.

I hope they are reviewing all their pumping infrastructure and max limits to determine if they can squeeze a little extra through these systems. Getting 5% from a bunch of small operating changes can make a big difference now. It would be fun to be running the water treatment system right now.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by GGG

I hope they are reviewing all their pumping infrastructure and max limits to determine if they can squeeze a little extra through these systems. Getting 5% from a bunch of small operating changes can make a big difference now. It would be fun to be running the water treatment system right now.

Problem with squeezing out a little extra capacity by increasing pumping flow rates is that you drastically increase risk of failure in the system that's currently working. It's best to keep it in its nominal envelope and instead reduce demand.

[Ace]

Wondering if they could instead run some temporary infrastructure to bring bearspaw more online?

Like these guys:

https://www.portablepipelinesystem.com/

[Looch City]

Is this the first time they inspected it?? What kind of maintenance program is this thing on?

[fotze2]

So partisan that people slam current government for this. So many times I’ve dealt with people above saying to push out some maintenance work “until next year”. You say “this will be a nightmare when it fails though. “ Then it fails and they are incredulous. What the hell is this crap. Here’s the email of you saying to postpone that very expensive inspection and expensive outage. This is your fault. Then you get fired. I bet there is someone who has warned of this.

That being said if Ric McIvor (dr. No) somehow won the mayor job, this would have happened on his watch but everyone on either side would 100% switch sides and be calling for his head as well. God people are stupid.

My grammar is awful I know.

[Paulie Walnuts]

They don’t inspect these lines routinely?

This along with the horrendous condition of our roads and finding out they didn’t even care to budget for it is concerning.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Is this the first time they inspected it?? What kind of maintenance program is this thing on?

Current tech means you drain water to inspect or dig it up. Either likely wouldn't be considered on something at 50% of its life and importance of use. They started using acoustic monitoring in the last year, probably thinking they'd get in place early to start listening for broken wires. However, that is unfortunately proven to not be the case, and acoustic monitoring doesn't give a baseline of the # of current broken wires.

I don't blame the city any one bit. We should be making sure PCCP though is never used in pressure pipe again. It is essentially a composite and as the sub incident proved, there are a lot of unknowns still, especially in the 40's when this "tech" was introduced.

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by BlackArcher101

Current tech means you drain water to inspect or dig it up. Either likely wouldn't be considered on something at 50% of its life and importance of use. They started using acoustic monitoring in the last year, probably thinking they'd get in place early to start listening for broken wires. However, that is unfortunately proven to not be the case, and acoustic monitoring doesn't give a baseline of the # of current broken wires.

I don't blame the city any one bit. We should be making sure PCCP though is never used in pressure pipe again.

That’s where I don’t get. Metal pipe is easy to inspect. Magnetic flux vertilog stuff is pricy but can be done but there is always an interruption Of service. You probably actually have to probably walk through this pipe. Multiple materials? What a nightmare. Concrete as a material for pipeline is nuts to me, but it’s fresh water so I guess. It’s porous and permeable as hell. Some steel and poly and some Yellowjacket, concrete and random wire wrapped around it for the second most important line in the city. That’s definitely a 2/4 on the risk matrix. Haha.

I think the AER would actually shoot me in the face if we excavated pipe and it looked like that. But maybe that’s Normal fresh water normal.

[shermanator]

"We just need 2 weeks to flatten the curve"

I don't give a #### about my lawn or garden, am happy to take 2 minute showers, and can piss in the bowl without flushing all day for all I care. But you can only hear dire messaging for so long before you start to tune it out.

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by shermanator

"We just need 2 weeks to flatten the curve"

Is there a drinking our own piss vaccine? Blocks out taste buds and kidneys?

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

They don’t inspect these lines routinely?

This along with the horrendous condition of our roads and finding out they didn’t even care to budget for it is concerning.

Hate to break this to you, but this is a classic baby boomer course of action. Pay as little as possible, do the bare minimum in maintenance, and then complain when the bill comes in to cover the repairs. Which is the one thing we haven’t heard about yet, but you have to know this is going to be very expensive.

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by Slava

Hate to break this to you, but this is a classic baby boomer course of action. Pay as little as possible, do the bare minimum in maintenance, and then complain when the bill comes in to cover the repairs. Which is the one thing we haven’t heard about yet, but you have to know this is going to be very expensive.

It could very well be cheaper than spending on maintenance and inspections. Brownfield is the worst. I don’t know much but dealing with old neglected crap is what I do. No easy decisions. Not a boomer or generational thing, it’s a “I want a bonus this year thing”. Once you move to head office, you cut costs to look better than the last guy. It’s good they are finding crap on other feeder lines and dealing with it now when it’s out of service. I don’t know why they can’t explain this better.

[fotze2]

And if there is crap in one spot it’s probably everywhere. Probably in the low lying sections or where conditions change.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by fotze2

It could very well be cheaper than spending on maintenance and inspections. Brownfield is the worst. I don’t know much but dealing with old neglected crap is what I do. No easy decisions. Not a boomer or generational thing, it’s a “I want a bonus this year thing”. Once you move to head office, you cut costs to look better than the last guy. It’s good they are finding crap on other feeder lines and dealing with it now when it’s out of service. I don’t know why they can’t explain this better.

The reason I feel like it’s somewhat generational is because of other organizations I’m involved in. They don’t want to spend any money to do anything, and then things break or desperately need repairs/replacement. It just seems so ridiculous. But…it could well be an unfair characterization on my part.

[topfiverecords]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

I'll just going to paint my grass green.

You joke but this is a thing in the US. Like a spray tan.

[Looch City]

Instead of a high speed rail to Edmonton, let's just build a water pipe.

And then use that ROW for a rail in the future!

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by Slava

The reason I feel like it’s somewhat generational is because of other organizations I’m involved in. They don’t want to spend any money to do anything, and then things break or desperately need repairs/replacement. It just seems so ridiculous. But…it could well be an unfair characterization on my part.

The headaches I have because this geezer foreman cheapass didn’t care for Calgarys process. Nightmare. He “told it like it is” type guy. This guy should be put on trial for war crimes. I actually think the younger guys have more of a conscience. Dump diesel to kill weeds was normal. But I also don’t know what a boomer is. So maybe it is that age.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

You joke but this is a thing in the US. Like a spray tan.

I accidentally over-sprayed some black paint when touching up my fire pit last year. I thought it was somewhat remarkable that the grass didn’t die and that the paint held up really well.