MF YYC Politics - there, I mega did it

[flamesfever]

The way I see it, densification is fine as long as it is targeted and carefully planned, and the residents have a clear understanding where multi-plex dwellings like rowhouses or townhouses are going to be allowed e.g. main streets or at street corners where streets intersect.

I have no objection to replacing a single detached house with semi-detached or duplex, as long as it fits in with the houses on either side, and there is sufficient provision for parking.

The fact that it is going to affect every homeowner in Calgary and was not on any platform in the last election, is more than sufficient justification for having a plebiscite on the matter.

We all know that this latest round of public input, on and following April 22, is just a large public relations exercise that will have no real impact on the made-up minds of the Mayor and Council, even though they may say otherwise.

l believe the best approach to densification would be to use the Local Area Plans, rather than the blanket rezoning being proposed.

[timun]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

If I had to find one to prove the point they are trying to make, it would be this 4 unit one:


https://maps.app.goo.gl/e8cQCzmNMaAQSxSR9


Because previously the lot had many many more trees on it:


https://maps.app.goo.gl/ybyEc6GYV8CniqTJ6


But this could have been done nicer with trees instead of...weedy gravel.

Tsk-tsk Fuzz, that's on a corner. flamesfever specifically asked for "on a 50 ft lot, built between two single detached houses".

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

The way I see it, densification is fine as long as it is targeted and carefully planned, and the residents have a clear understanding where multi-plex dwellings like rowhouses or townhouses are going to be allowed e.g. main streets or at street corners where streets intersect.

I have no objection to replacing a single detached house with semi-detached or duplex, as long as it fits in with the houses on either side, and there is sufficient provision for parking.

The fact that it is going to affect every homeowner in Calgary and was not on any platform in the last election, is more than sufficient justification for having a plebiscite on the matter.

We all know that this latest round of public input, on and following April 22, is just a large public relations exercise that will have no real impact on the made-up minds of the Mayor and Council, even though they may say otherwise.

l believe the best approach to densification would be to use the Local Area Plans, rather than the blanket rezoning being proposed.

What you describe is the approach - higher density planned through LAPs along corridors, transit locations - that continues. That is true for every level of density H-GO and up. What this rezoning is suggesting is that (and reasonable people can disagree), single, semis and lower scale rowhouses than H-GO under R-CG are more fundamentally similar than they are different and are compatible in any context.

The public input did change Admin’s recommendation so that rowhouse and townhouse is a discretionary use, rather than a permitted use, which demands a different level of scrutiny on design including from the public than permitted. That might sound technical, but it is a substantially different process.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by timun

Tsk-tsk Fuzz, that's on a corner. flamesfever specifically asked for "on a 50 ft lot, built between two single detached houses".

Oh I know, that was just the closest I could think of satisfying the most criteria.

[fotze2]

Bunk rules

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

If I had to find one to prove the point they are trying to make, it would be this 4 unit one:


https://maps.app.goo.gl/e8cQCzmNMaAQSxSR9


Because previously the lot had many many more trees on it:


https://maps.app.goo.gl/ybyEc6GYV8CniqTJ6


But this could have been done nicer with trees instead of...weedy gravel.

There are lots of examples of 4 unit row homes being developed into 50 foot corner lots in the inner city. Pretty much every corner along 24th Ave by Confederation Park is a new 4 plex. A lot of corners in Westmount are becoming 4 unit developments.

[Mazrim]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

There are lots of examples of 4 unit row homes being developed into 50 foot corner lots in the inner city. Pretty much every corner along 24th Ave by Confederation Park is a new 4 plex. A lot of corners in Westmount are becoming 4 unit developments.

By all means, share some links! I wanna see these sun-eating monsters.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Mazrim

By all means, share some links! I wanna see these sun-eating monsters.

Here:
2419 16 St NW
https://maps.app.goo.gl/CcVNDWu3vJk7r1NC9

2474 17 St NW
https://maps.app.goo.gl/7i8mQpU5jpQGbKiF7

80 17 St NW
https://maps.app.goo.gl/myddin91zstvEa5m7

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

If I had to find one to prove the point they are trying to make, it would be this 4 unit one:


https://maps.app.goo.gl/e8cQCzmNMaAQSxSR9


Because previously the lot had many many more trees on it:


https://maps.app.goo.gl/ybyEc6GYV8CniqTJ6


But this could have been done nicer with trees instead of...weedy gravel.

The before shot really had a lot of character. The old camper unit really tied the block together. Shame about all the urine, of course.

[surferguy]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

The before shot really had a lot of character. The old camper unit really tied the block together. Shame about all the urine, of course.

They could probably rent that camper out at $1500/m plus propane nowadays

[Torture]

Originally Posted by fotze2

Bunk rules

Too bad he defected to Vancouver.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Here:
2419 16 St NW
https://maps.app.goo.gl/CcVNDWu3vJk7r1NC9

2474 17 St NW
https://maps.app.goo.gl/7i8mQpU5jpQGbKiF7

80 17 St NW
https://maps.app.goo.gl/myddin91zstvEa5m7

The HORROR!

[woob]

Originally Posted by Torture

The HORROR!

I dig all 3 of those 4plexes.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

The before shot really had a lot of character. The old camper unit really tied the block together. Shame about all the urine, of course.

When I used to bike past it at 7am the guy would often be in the back yard having a morning fire. Didn't matter the season.

[BlackArcher101]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

When I used to bike past it at 7am the guy would often be in the back yard having a morning fire. Didn't matter the season.

My kind of neighbour. Probably still the same fire from the evening prior, just passed out in the chair.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by accord1999

But they undoubtedly had an implicit understanding and expectation of zoning, that a neighborhood that is mostly single family homes at the time of their purchase will remain that way and change slowly.

I dunno though. Kind of far down the list for me personally when home shopping and I certainly wouldn’t be thinking, “I like this zoning!”

It sounds like it will still be that way for many people. What is the appeal of a neighbourhood with just single family homes, anyway? Is there an answer that doesn’t involve traffic or parking in some form?

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by Wormius

I dunno though. Kind of far down the list for me personally when home shopping and I certainly wouldn’t be thinking, “I like this zoning!”

It sounds like it will still be that way for many people. What is the appeal of a neighbourhood with just single family homes, anyway? Is there an answer that doesn’t involve traffic or parking in some form?

Regardless of what is happening elsewhere in the world, the single detached home is still regarded by most, to be the gold standard for couples wishing to raise families in North America. It symbolizes stability, space, privacy, freedom and the American and Canadian dream.

[calgarygeologist]

I forgot about this place which is a few blocks from a house that my brother owns.

1615 20 Ave NW
https://maps.app.goo.gl/o4xNbm4XEDmQZtQz6

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

Regardless of what is happening elsewhere in the world, the single detached home is still regarded by most, to be the gold standard for couples wishing to raise families in North America. It symbolizes stability, space, privacy, freedom and the American and Canadian dream.

A cookie cutter home in Cranston has none of those things.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by woob

I dig all 3 of those 4plexes.

Gimme a dilapidated bungalow with zero maintenance and a slumlord landlord over those monstrosities any day of the week. Say no to RC-G!!