Let's talk about: Oliver Kylington

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

My belief is that they promoted him out of desperation and left him in place because the man they wanted to hire wouldn't take the job during the off season. I think they fully expected to fire a head coach as soon as they could come to terms with Sutter, and it wasn't worth the trouble and expense of hiring yet another lame duck.

Okay fine, but that's definitely in pure speculation territory, so I won't personally use that to dismiss Ward's hire and re-signing being part of the lengthy failure of coaching hires that have mired this club for years. You are free too, though.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Okay fine, but that's definitely in pure speculation territory, so I won't personally use that to dismiss Ward's hire and re-signing being part of the lengthy failure of coaching hires that have mired this club for years. You are free too, though.

Not pure speculation, as I did read something here on CP about family issues making Sutter unwilling to take a coaching job during the first months of COVID. If that report was true, it would explain leaving an interim coach in charge until he decided he was ready to take the job.

[Roof-Daddy]

Hanifin - Andersson
Kylington - Tanev
Zadarov - Gudbranson

Valimaki - Stone

Mackey - Kinvall

Man I wish Kinvall was healthy and playing games in the AHL. It'd be nice to get a gauge on him on north american ice.

Crazy deep D pool though. Hopefully they keep going good.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Hanifin - Andersson
Kylington - Tanev
Zadarov - Gudbranson

Valimaki - Stone

Mackey - Kinvall

Man I wish Kinvall was healthy and playing games in the AHL. It'd be nice to get a gauge on him on north american ice.

Crazy deep D pool though. Hopefully they keep going good.

You forgot Yan Kyznersov, who is still only 19-years old, and playing in his first full professional season.

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[devo22]

don't sleep on Jeremie Poirier either. He'll need some work in the pros, but the kid is a scoring machine.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by devo22

don't sleep on Jeremie Poirier either. He'll need some work in the pros, but the kid is a scoring machine.

Such a strange prospect. Elite in some areas and an utter disaster in others.
Love the pick because of the high potential.

[1qqaaz]

Jeremie Poirier isn't as one dimensional as he was when he was drafted. His point per game production is lower than last year, but he seems to have made some major improvements defensively.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by devo22

don't sleep on Jeremie Poirier either. He'll need some work in the pros, but the kid is a scoring machine.

Right, but since he is not yet a pro he is not available to the Flames this year. They can't really count on that as "depth."

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[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Right, but since he is not yet a pro he is not available to the Flames this year. They can't really count on that as "depth."

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He's in Stockton this year, is he not?

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Kylington's puck-skills and his vision are a million times better than Lombardi's. Lombardi's problem was being able to think the game and make plays at the same speed that he skated. It appears that Kylington will likely not have that same problem.

Matthew Lombardi - the handless horseman

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Right, but since he is not yet a pro he is not available to the Flames this year. They can't really count on that as "depth."

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gotcha. Don't think Kuznetsov is really a factor for the Flames this year either though.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

My belief is that they promoted him out of desperation and left him in place because the man they wanted to hire wouldn't take the job during the off season. I think they fully expected to fire a head coach as soon as they could come to terms with Sutter, and it wasn't worth the trouble and expense of hiring yet another lame duck.

We know Treliving has extreme tunnel vision when it comes to coaches - Gulutzan was the only guy, Peters was the only guy, Sutter was the only guy - so I guess your hypothesis could be true. On the other hand that’s a terrible way to run a team - sacrifice an unknown amount of the season to an inexperienced coach that you plan to fire as soon as your target becomes available. I can’t believe ownership would sign up to that plan

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by devo22

gotcha. Don't think Kuznetsov is really a factor for the Flames this year either though.

You are probably right about that.

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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by D as in David

He's in Stockton this year, is he not?

Sorry. I was talking about Poirier.

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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by edslunch

We know Treliving has extreme tunnel vision when it comes to coaches - Gulutzan was the only guy...

This is false. The Flames were interviewing candidates for several weeks, and with the way that hire happened there is reason to believe that Gulutzan was not Treliving's first choice.

Peters was the only guy...

This is true.

Sutter was the only guy - so I guess your hypothesis could be true.

This is probably true. Treliving and Sutter have both spoken about being in conversation for long before he was hired, and about the timing needing to be right.

On the other hand that’s a terrible way to run a team - sacrifice an unknown amount of the season to an inexperienced coach that you plan to fire as soon as your target becomes available. I can’t believe ownership would sign up to that plan

I would be interested to hear about what other alternatives you think would have worked out better in that situation. Had the Flames made an outside hire in Summer 2020, that coach would still be with the team, and Sutter would not be. This seems to me like a worse outcome.

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[Parallex]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Matthew Lombardi - the handless horseman

Man, I really liked Lombardi but goddammit was it ever frustrating to watch him pick up a loose puck, burn past the defender to get a breakaway and then shoot the puck straight into the logo on the goalies chest.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Sorry. I was talking about Poirier.

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Oops. Pre-coffee bad by me.

[Jetfire]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Matthew Lombardi - the handless horseman

Man, that guy practically had rockets strapped to his skates. Superstar skating ability paired with bottom six skills/hockey IQ. Even then that one strength carried him to a few 40+ point seasons. One of the first players I really liked as a young fan though.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I would be interested to hear about what other alternatives you think would have worked out better in that situation. Had the Flames made an outside hire in Summer 2020, that coach would still be with the team, and Sutter would not be. This seems to me like a worse outcome.

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I'm happy with the outcome but it seems like a dodgy plan. What if Sutter decided against coming back. How long do you keep a warm body in that seat?

[neo45]

I think Reirden, Carlyle, and Gulutzan were Treliving’s three choices and when Carlyle decided to return to Anaheim he went with Gulutzan

So Carlyle was probably choice one