07-07-2019, 01:23 PM
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#81
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Kamloops
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Originally Posted by topfiverecords
Fun fact of the day: I'm not Bill Peters.
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Exactly, so why bother telling us what you would do if you were?
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07-07-2019, 01:26 PM
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#82
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Hyperbole Chamber
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blender
Exactly, so why bother telling us what you would do if you were?
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Isn’t that what everyone has done in the thread and this forum? It’s really incredibly irrelevant on all levels and beyond the thought in your head after you’ve comprehended the text on the screen it’s all just ether.
If you’re not annoyed, entertained, or neutral to it, it doesn’t bother me much.
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07-07-2019, 02:24 PM
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#83
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First Line Centre
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I'd say Neal definitely needs to play alongside one of Gaudreau or Tkachuk, he'd probably score 30 if he did over 82 games.
Gaudreau - Monahan - Mangiapane
Tkachuk - Lindholm - Neal
Dube - Backlund - Bennett
Jankowski - Ryan - Czarnik
Mangiapane earns a promotion and Frolik is traded.
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07-07-2019, 02:56 PM
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#84
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: North America
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Quote:
Originally Posted by David Struch
I'd say Neal definitely needs to play alongside one of Gaudreau or Tkachuk, he'd probably score 30 if he did over 82 games.
Gaudreau - Monahan - Mangiapane
Tkachuk - Lindholm - Neal
Dube - Backlund - Bennett
Jankowski - Ryan - Czarnik
Mangiapane earns a promotion and Frolik is traded.
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That’s got 11th place in the Western conference written all over it.
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07-07-2019, 03:13 PM
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#85
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Yoho
That’s got 11th place in the Western conference written all over it.
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Kind of explains why they are looking to trade Brodie for a forward. Otherwise that’s what we’re looking at.
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07-07-2019, 03:16 PM
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#86
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Hyperbole Chamber
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoho
That’s got 11th place in the Western conference written all over it.
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Even though all of those players contributed to a league wide 2nd place finish last year? I don’t think the loss of Frolik and Hathaway, while decent players, and shuffling of lines that happens all the time will be that catastrophic.
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07-07-2019, 03:39 PM
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#87
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction
I like keeping Gaudreau and Tkachuk on separate lines mainly because they are both such great playmakers. I think you can get the most out of them by putting them each on a line with two finishers.
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It’s a very strong argument you make. The only counter arguments I can make are thus.
1. Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Monahan, Lindholm are all good playmakers and finishers. If you take Lindholm or Monahan off the top line and still want to make a super 1st line then you’d replace them with Tkachuk. If you want to have two of them on each line that’s another approach I like too.
2. The most compelling argument for uniting them is that Tkachuk compliments Gaudreau’s weaknesses so well. Tkachuk excels along the boards and in front of the net. Gaudreau struggles mightily in board battles and is too small to be a consistent net front presence. Lindholm does these things as well although not quite at the same level. That’s why I was arguing the ideal line to maximize Gaudreau might be with Lindholm-Tkachuk. Those guys would make so much space for him.
I don’t usually love indulging conspiracy theories but does anyone think Treliving May have been playing the long game with Tkachuk by keeping him with Backlund so long? Tkachuk will get paid but if he had been in Lindholm’s spot he might’ve had 100+ points and the negotiations might’ve been even harder. Will they finally unleash Tkachuk on the top line once he’s locked up longer term?
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07-07-2019, 03:41 PM
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#88
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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I doubt Treliving has that much say in day-to-day in-game personnel decisions. I think Peters, like Gulutzan, saw that Backlund and Tkachuk work well together and found little reason to change that chemistry.
Of course, that's just a guess.
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07-08-2019, 01:11 PM
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#89
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In the Sin Bin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by topfiverecords
Even though all of those players contributed to a league wide 2nd place finish last year? I don’t think the loss of Frolik and Hathaway, while decent players, and shuffling of lines that happens all the time will be that catastrophic.
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Sure, and most of those players finished out of the playoffs the year before.
The problem with David's proposal is that he makes both of the top two lines far worse than last year with only a slight improvement to the third line. And apparently we give up Frolik for nothing.
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07-08-2019, 01:25 PM
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#90
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Van City - Main St.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by David Struch
I'd say Neal definitely needs to play alongside one of Gaudreau or Tkachuk, he'd probably score 30 if he did over 82 games.
Gaudreau - Monahan - Mangiapane
Tkachuk - Lindholm - Neal
Dube - Backlund - Bennett
Jankowski - Ryan - Czarnik
Mangiapane earns a promotion and Frolik is traded.
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Neal will never score 30 goals again.
Putting him with Johnny or Chucky will just reduce their production, not boost his (to the same extent).
Net result will be negative.
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07-08-2019, 01:42 PM
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#91
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GOAT!
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Gaudreau Monahan Bennett
Tkachuk Lindholm [?]
Mangiapane Ryan Neal
Dube Jankowski Czarnik
Backlund + -> for top-six RW
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07-09-2019, 07:20 AM
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#92
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2016
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Resolute 14
Sure, and most of those players finished out of the playoffs the year before.
The problem with David's proposal is that he makes both of the top two lines far worse than last year with only a slight improvement to the third line. And apparently we give up Frolik for nothing.
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I don't think we're getting a roster player for Frolik if/when we trade him. I'm guessing late picks... really more of a cap dump.
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07-09-2019, 08:19 AM
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#93
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates
Neal will never score 30 goals again.
Putting him with Johnny or Chucky will just reduce their production, not boost his (to the same extent).
Net result will be negative.
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The Flames get 3.75 M in cap space buying out Neal.
What is the hold up? downside?
There is solid hope that Frolik plays well enough to be a top-6 on Backlund's line and an expectation that Brodie is top 2-4 on any team in the NHL including the Flames.
How important is the Gio window in doing some serious winning??
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07-20-2019, 09:04 PM
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#94
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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.....well why not
Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Dube - Monahan - Bennett
Lucic - Backlund - Ryan
Mangiapane - Jankowski - Czarnik OR another trade acquisition with SIZE!
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07-20-2019, 09:07 PM
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#95
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Scoring Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceman57
.....well why not
Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Dube - Monahan - Bennett
Lucic - Backlund - Ryan
Mangiapane - Jankowski - Czarnik OR another trade acquisition with SIZE!
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Chucky is a LW, does that concern you that he’s out of position?
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07-20-2019, 09:10 PM
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#96
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Backlund - Mangiapane
Lucic - Ryan - Czarnik
Jankowski - Gawdin/Dube - Bennett
Or maybe throw Pat Maroon in there.
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07-20-2019, 09:12 PM
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#97
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Uncle Chester
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Gawdin is the new Klimchuk.
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07-20-2019, 09:14 PM
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#98
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Scoring Winger
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceman57
.....well why not
Gaudreau - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Dube - Monahan - Bennett
Lucic - Backlund - Ryan
Mangiapane - Jankowski - Czarnik OR another trade acquisition with SIZE!
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Chucky is a LW, does that concern you that he’s out of position?
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07-20-2019, 09:14 PM
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#99
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SportsJunky
Gawdin is the new Klimchuk.
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I just think he's super underrated... 38 points as an AHL rookie!
Shoots right too!
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07-20-2019, 09:21 PM
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#100
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Gaudreau - Monahan - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Backlund - Jankowski
Mangiapane - Bennett - Czarnik
Lucic - Ryan - Dube
Alternatively since the top line was useless down the stretch they get split up
Jankowski - Monahan - Ryan
Tkachuk - Backlund - Lindholm
Gaudreau - Bennett - Mangiapane
Lucic - Dube - Czarnik
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