[News] Dube and Gillies assigned to Stockton. Mangiapane activated off IR

[dammage79]

I don't know what to think of Mangipane. I know lots of posters here think highly of him but I've never really gotten the jist of why. He makes some really nice plays but nothing ever comes of it and I think his staking from a stand still is wonky. I guess I mean his acceleration. And he's not overly fast for a guy his size. I think he has some great attributes but really lacking in others.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Or having NHL quality defence play in front of him.

Schneider hasn't had an NHL-quality defence in front of him either.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Schneider hasn't had an NHL-quality defence in front of him either.

Bring him up. I highly doubt either Gillies or Schneider are worse than Smith right now.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Bring him up. I highly doubt either Gillies or Schneider are worse than Smith right now.

There goes that old-time religion again. Some people can't wrap their heads around the idea that there are actually worse goalies than Mike Smith.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

There goes that old-time religion again. Some people can't wrap their heads around the idea that there are actually worse goalies than Mike Smith.

Did you actually see the montage that was shown when Loubo was talking?

Smith is not stopping shots he should.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Did you actually see the montage that was shown when Loubo was talking?

Smith is not stopping shots he should.

So that makes him the worst goalie in the entire world? No.

I repeat: There are worse options out there. Bringing up a guy who is stinking up the minors is one of them.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

So that makes him the worst goalie in the entire world? No.

I repeat: There are worse options out there. Bringing up a guy who is stinking up the minors is one of them.

Repeat that all you want.

And I will say this.

Save percentage can be as close to a useless stat as there is, without context. It is a team stat, first, then a goalie stat next.

There are shots that goalies should stop, shots they could stop, and shots they can’t reasonably stop. Team play gives you the proportion.

Then goalie works with that. Smith is failing too often with group 1.

[GullFoss]

It makes sense to bring Lazar up now.

[Hockey-and_stuff]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Repeat that all you want.



And I will say this.



Save percentage can be as close to a useless stat as there is, without context. It is a team stat, first, then a goalie stat next.



There are shots that goalies should stop, shots they could stop, and shots they can’t reasonably stop. Team play gives you the proportion.



Then goalie works with that. Smith is failing too often with group 1.

Jay doesn't mention save percentage once in his post. The fact is the goalies in Stockton aren't getting things done. Do you really want to hitch your wagon to a well below average AHL goalie?

[Hey Connor, It's Mess]

If only we still had Klimchuk to call up, he's on fire right now. 2 points in 13 games for the Marlies.

[Kasi]

Originally Posted by Hockey-and_stuff

Jay doesn't mention save percentage once in his post. The fact is the goalies in Stockton aren't getting things done. Do you really want to hitch your wagon to a well below average AHL goalie?

From the reports Stocktons finest over on FlamesNation has given Giles often starts out okay but then falls to pieces once a goal goes in and then usually lets in a bunch more. It doesn’t sound like a guy who is ready to be thrust into NHL action. Schneider might be better than Smith but hard to say.

[btimbit]

You really can't predict goalies until you see them in the NHL though. Last year Gillies and Rittichs both didn't look great. Iirc correctly Gillies looked better than Rittichs in the pre season too. There's no way to say for sure Gillies would suck here until we try. I'm not saying he's any answer for sure but who knows

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Hockey-and_stuff

Jay doesn't mention save percentage once in his post. The fact is the goalies in Stockton aren't getting things done. Do you really want to hitch your wagon to a well below average AHL goalie?

Below average by what measure?

[Hockey-and_stuff]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Below average by what measure?

Well you don't get a GAA over 4.00 by stopping all the shots that you should, which you seem to think Gillies does and Smith can't.

I'm not really here to argue. I think you have your mind made up about Smith and I don't think I have anything to say that will change your mind. I won't be commenting further.

[Shazam]

Hard to say. The Flames have all the good Heat d-men. Looks like the Heat's current D roster is nothing but journeymen.

[Hockey-and_stuff]

Originally Posted by Shazam

Hard to say. The Flames have all the good Heat d-men. Looks like the Heat's current D roster is nothing but journeymen.

I'll admit that it doesn't look like the Heat can defend anything this season. But when you're giving up 4+ on the regular the goalies are a part of the problem.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Are we trying to pretend that the Flames are only assessing Gillies on his stats? I’m sure they are evaluating his stats, the actual goals he’s given up, his work in practice. All of it. And based on that they haven’t seemed him to be a guy they are prepared to give a start to
Do we have any evidence or reports that his stats and play don’t align to the same conclusion that he simply hasn’t been good enough?

[Coach]

Wanting to see what a few of our younger goaltenders have, while our BACKUP is struggling is not "hitching your wagon" to anything. Our wagon is hitched to Rittich. It's putting a young player into a no-lose scenario. Yes there are worse goaltenders tahn Smith, of course. In the NHL? Debatable. So, you have a scenario where if Mike Smith plays, he is bad. If an AHL call up plays he could also be bad. He could also be NOT AS BAD. But there's no way that Mike Smith can be not as bad as Mike Smith. As he is Mike Smith.

I don't understand how this is so difficult to grasp.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Coach

Wanting to see what a few of our younger goaltenders have, while our BACKUP is struggling is not "hitching your wagon" to anything. Our wagon is hitched to Rittich. It's putting a young player into a no-lose scenario. Yes there are worse goaltenders tahn Smith, of course. In the NHL? Debatable. So, if you have a scenario where if Mike Smith plays, he is bad. If an AHL call up plays he could also be bad. He could also be NOT AS BAD.

I don't understand how this is so difficult to grasp.

Because you don’t just hand an nhl start to a young goalie playing poorly out of hope
Hope is not a plan
Bottom line is the team seems to believe that Smith gives them a better chance to win compared to Gillies

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Because you don’t just hand an nhl start to a young goalie playing poorly out of hope
Hope is not a plan
Bottom line is the team seems to believe that Smith gives them a better chance to win compared to Gillies

Isn't hope the plan every night with Smith in net?

It's not hope. It's giving a young player a test when you can. January games, the team is in the class of the league and our back up sucks. Whats the harm? You lose a game mid-season you were in tough to win anyways because again, your back up sucks. Try another back up? What if Smith was hurt? He's not a viable option, he might as well be. Thats when we would be hoping because we have no clue.