08-08-2022, 08:33 AM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Coyotes sign Lawson Crouse (5 yrs, $4.3 mil AAV)
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08-08-2022, 08:36 AM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Time will tell, could be a value contract as it ages or look like his teammate Zack Kassian.
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08-08-2022, 08:39 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SW Ontario
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Long term - mid value contracts always strike me as likely to fail. Crouse is 25 years old - he's not likely to suddenly breakout - best case scenario he stays at his same level but if he declines it becomes one of those contracts you always see sitting our your capfriendly page waiting for it to expire.
Of course - it being Arizona - the salary cap isn't a big concern, but their internal cap could be a concern.
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08-08-2022, 08:46 AM
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Franchise Player
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Shot at over 15% last year. Can't see this contract working out well.
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08-08-2022, 08:53 AM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Does Arizona care if it ages too poorly, aren't they a team with a window at least 5 years out given their acquisition of draft picks for bad contracts and they kind of need to keep this player to pretend to play? If it ages well, great, if it doesn't trade bait at year 5 trade deadline.
Or am I remembering what they did incorrectly?
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08-08-2022, 09:05 AM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Solid deal but I really like the player.
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08-08-2022, 09:41 AM
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteMoss
Long term - mid value contracts always strike me as likely to fail. Crouse is 25 years old - he's not likely to suddenly breakout - best case scenario he stays at his same level but if he declines it becomes one of those contracts you always see sitting our your capfriendly page waiting for it to expire.
Of course - it being Arizona - the salary cap isn't a big concern, but their internal cap could be a concern.
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Seems to me that 20 goals in 65 games is decent value for 4.3m.
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08-08-2022, 09:45 AM
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Mar 2020
Location: Dallas
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If he can score 20, it’s a good contract
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08-08-2022, 10:35 AM
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Yeah, that's a little more than I would've paid. There's a lot to like about his game but who knows how he'll age.
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08-08-2022, 11:44 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Geeoff
Seems to me that 20 goals in 65 games is decent value for 4.3m.
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I guess the question is does he score 20 goals on a real team that is trying to win? Doubtful he's getting PP time on a team with a real roster.
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08-08-2022, 12:39 PM
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Jordan!
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Chandler, AZ
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His value extends nerd stats and numbers imo. Good signing for where the team is at right now.
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08-08-2022, 12:48 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jordan!
His value extends nerd stats and numbers imo. Good signing for where the team is at right now.
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"Nerd stats" actually liked his season last year, especially defensively.
It's more his production that is the question mark since he shot way above his career average.
I actually think it's not a terrible bet for Arizona.
If he continues to improve and finds his offensive game then $4.3M is going to be good value and you're eating up the prime years of his career.
If he doesn't then he's still okay defensively and plays a physical role. He has some of the skillsets that GMs tend to overpay for in a trade too, so you could likely move him if you needed to. Plus not like they are going to be a cap team anyways.
Last edited by SuperMatt18; 08-08-2022 at 12:50 PM.
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08-08-2022, 12:58 PM
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#1 Goaltender
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I like the player. Would want him here at that price.
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08-08-2022, 02:12 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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I really like the player, and the contract. I still dream of bringing him here.
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08-08-2022, 05:41 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Seattle, WA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Flamesfan05
If he can score 20, it’s a good contract
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He was on pace for 25 or so, if he progresses at all he should be in the 30 range.
Contract is a bargain if he can stay healthy.
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08-08-2022, 07:19 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Calgary, AB
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I don't think he will make this contract look terrible, but I doubt they will look back at it and see it as bargain when it's done.
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08-08-2022, 09:58 PM
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Franchise Player
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Hmmmm... I was always of the view that Crouse was... what's the word... ah yes. Bad. Bad at hockey.
I guess I haven't paid any attention to him or his team for a while though, so maybe he's good now? Seems unlikely.
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08-08-2022, 10:04 PM
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Hmmmm... I was always of the view that Crouse was... what's the word... ah yes. Bad. Bad at hockey.
I guess I haven't paid any attention to him or his team for a while though, so maybe he's good now? Seems unlikely.
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According to JFresh, in the past three years he's zoomed all the way up to average. Good defensively, but can't score except on the rush.
https://twitter.com/user/status/https://twitter.com/JFreshHockey/status/1556651054816796672
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Last edited by Jay Random; 08-08-2022 at 10:06 PM.
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08-08-2022, 10:11 PM
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Crouse reminds me a heck of a lot of a young Micheal Ferland.
As CHL just demonstrated, he still has a bit of a bad reputation because of how much he was overrated in his draft year. The "McDavid, Eichel, or Crouse" tweet is still very funny. But we must always remember that overrated does not equal bad ...
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08-08-2022, 10:12 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague
Hmmmm... I was always of the view that Crouse was... what's the word... ah yes. Bad. Bad at hockey.
I guess I haven't paid any attention to him or his team for a while though, so maybe he's good now? Seems unlikely.
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He was a 5th overall pick in the OHL Priority Draft, an 11th overall pick in the NHL Draft, and just secured a 5yr/4.3 AAV contract after scoring 20 goals in 65 games. Are you right that Crouse is bad at hockey, or is there a whole bunch of people in hockey operations throughout North America that don't know what they are doing?
Last edited by Sandman; 08-08-2022 at 10:15 PM.
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