Hockey Canada Olympic roster announcement. 10 AM MT

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

did anyone watch the tune up tournament Canada played last month before the Spengler Cup and how did they do?

Come on now Girly. Don't derail this thread. We need to hear all the reasons people don't care and their rebuttals.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Why do you keep saying this?

Because the poster is a fan of Iginla? I was hoping for a miracle invite too.

[browna]

Didn’t know Nigel Dawes became a Kazakhstan citizen.
He’s leading the league in KHL goals with 31 in 40 games. Would’ve been able to help Canada for sure.

Edit, well here it is.
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/...stan-1.4348449

Dustin Boyd too.

[goodyear]

Originally Posted by Locke

First of all: Yes. Thanks Gary. Thanks for telling the IOC and the IIHF to pound sand on a terrible deal. That was an astute piece of work.

Secondly: You should be thanking the Players and the NHLPA. They are the primary group responsible for no NHL participation.

Thanks Locke.

Sounded like the players wanted to go:

"The players are extraordinarily disappointed and adamantly disagree with the NHL's shortsighted decision to not continue our participation in the Olympics."

https://www.nhlpa.com/news/1-11819/n...games-decision



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[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Monahan For Mayor

That is the best we could do !? That is one ugly roster. I think good WHL teams could beat them.

Lol, considering the Team Canada WJ team usually play university teams to gear up for their tournaments, I think you're vastly overrating how good a team of 16-18 year olds would fair against professional players (all who were probably above average junior players at one point).

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by browna

Didn’t know Nigel Dawes became a Kazakhstan citizen.
He’s leading the league in KHL goals with 31 in 40 games. Would’ve been able to help Canada for sure.

Edit, well here it is.
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/...stan-1.4348449

Dustin Boyd too.

Hah...So they'll start their military service after the Olympics?

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by bzoo02

Of course they would. That's comparing apples to oranges and besides the point.

Womens Olympic hockey is a true best on best. The men's is not. I'm not sure what the argument here is.

Don't you mean best on rest? Because last I checked, there's only 2 competitive teams fielded every Olympics. Exciting stuff.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Because the poster is a fan of Iginla? I was hoping for a miracle invite too.

But that was settled over six weeks ago when Hockey Canada came out and said that players had to be participating in tournament or league play in order to be considered for the team, and then went on to specifically rule out an invitation to Iginla precisely because he was not in game shape, not playing, and also recovering from surgery.

How did anyone miss this?

[speede5]

Every olympics a whole bunch of athletes who almost no one has ever heard of become household names for a couple weeks. We talk about them like we've known about them for ever, and all the intricacies of their sport, even if we didn't know it existed.

We rally around them because they wear our flag, or because of the stories of adversity they fought through, or because they had an amazing performance out of no where.

Yet we're all gonna boycott men's hockey because 'the best' aren't competing in it? the same best who get paid millions to entertain us and are quite happy doing what they do.

I'm looking forward to some great hockey in a tournament where Canada is not a guarantee for a finals appearance, the hockey should be very good to watch.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by goodyear

Thanks Locke.

Sounded like the players wanted to go:

"The players are extraordinarily disappointed and adamantly disagree with the NHL's shortsighted decision to not continue our participation in the Olympics."

https://www.nhlpa.com/news/1-11819/n...games-decision

The League extended an offer to the players to participate, and the NHLPA declined.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by goodyear

Thanks Locke.

Sounded like the players wanted to go:

"The players are extraordinarily disappointed and adamantly disagree with the NHL's shortsighted decision to not continue our participation in the Olympics."

https://www.nhlpa.com/news/1-11819/n...games-decision



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They didn't bring it up in the CBA negotiations during the last lockout. They didn't care enough then, or thought the NHL would never consider not going.

The NHL also tried to negotiate a deal that would have allowed them to go and avoid another lockout for a few more years. They declined.

If anything its the players' fault for not making sure Olympic participation was guaranteed in the CBA if it mattered to them that much.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

But that was settled over six weeks ago when Hockey Canada came out and said that players had to be participating in tournament or league play in order to be considered for the team, and then went on to specifically rule out an invitation to Iginla precisely because he was not in game shape, not playing, and also recovering from surgery.

How did anyone miss this?

You referring to this quote?:

“As good a player as Jarome has been, as good a man as he is, if he’s not playing, it’s hard to give yourself opportunity for a fair evaluation, quite honestly, of what he might be able to do in the Olympic Games,” Hockey Canada president and CEO Tom Renney said last month. “It’s tough to go from zero to 60 as a 40-year-old.”

I don't understand why you're upset that Iginla fans were had faint hopes for a last second invite.

[FanIn80]

What was the sticking point with the IOC? Wasn’t it the NHL wanted them to pay the insurance and let the NHL use their branding during broadcasts? I think the TV ratings this year are going be an interesting discussion point, with regards to whether or not they should have agreed to that.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by goodyear

Thanks Locke.

Sounded like the players wanted to go:

"The players are extraordinarily disappointed and adamantly disagree with the NHL's shortsighted decision to not continue our participation in the Olympics."

https://www.nhlpa.com/news/1-11819/n...games-decision



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See below. What they wanted and what they actively did to achieve that desire are very different things.

If the players wanted to go, really, really wanted to go, they were given multiple opportunities to make it happen.

They did nothing.

So they obviously didnt want to go all that badly. Despite all the posturing.

Originally Posted by Textcritic

The League extended an offer to the players to participate, and the NHLPA declined.

Originally Posted by sureLoss

They didn't bring it up in the CBA negotiations during the last lockout. They didn't care enough then, or thought the NHL would never consider not going.

The NHL also tried to negotiate a deal that would have allowed them to go and avoid another lockout for a few more years. They declined.

If anything its the players' fault for not making sure Olympic participation was guaranteed in the CBA if it mattered to them that much.

Its not Bettman's fault.

[Geeoff]

I like the looks of the US team a lot better. They took more young guys instead of washed up NHLers. Canada is gonna get waxed IMO

[Locke]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

What was the sticking point with the IOC? Wasn’t it the NHL wanted them to pay the insurance and let the NHL use their branding during broadcasts? I think the TV ratings this year are going be an interesting discussion point, with regards to whether or not they should have agreed to that.

Its a long story but overall the IOC would pay Insurance, Travel and Accommodation.

They decided not to pay that and further they declined to allow the NHL to advertise or have any affiliation or association.

So the NHL was on the hook for all of the costs and absolutely no revenue or advertising and at the same time risking their assets.

So they said no.

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by Locke

Secondly: You should be thanking the Players and the NHLPA. They are the primary group responsible for no NHL participation.

Because their employer wouldn’t let them go?

I can see sureloss’ point about them not making an issue of it during previous CBA negotiations, but there’s no guarantee the league would have agreed to it anyways without demanding for concessions the players didn’t want to agree to either.

Both sides could have potentially done things differently to ensure participation, but as it stands currently the league are the ones who are not allowing their players to participate, there’s no other way to put it.

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by Bunk

I like best on best. Sue me. Not gonna watch it.

I would also not watch third rate speed skaters if somehow the best were not able to compete either.

I'm sure you won't be missed.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

You referring to this quote?:

“As good a player as Jarome has been, as good a man as he is, if he’s not playing, it’s hard to give yourself opportunity for a fair evaluation, quite honestly, of what he might be able to do in the Olympic Games,” Hockey Canada president and CEO Tom Renney said last month. “It’s tough to go from zero to 60 as a 40-year-old.”

I don't understand why you're upset that Iginla fans were had faint hopes for a last second invite.

Yes, that's it.

Who's upset? I just find it odd that some would continue to hope for something that was never going to happen. Renney's comments and Iginla's rehab made it abundantly clear that he would not be invited.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Locke

Its a long story but overall the IOC would pay Insurance, Travel and Accommodation.

They decided not to pay that and further they declined to allow the NHL to advertise or have any affiliation or association.

So the NHL was on the hook for all of the costs and absolutely no revenue or advertising and at the same time risking their assets.

So they said no.

On top of all that and if I am understanding correctly....the NHL nor any media outlet other than the winning network, are allowed to use any images of the players in the Olympic tourney whatsoever. When games are airing at 5 AM MST.

That means no highlights of the NHL's players while playing hockey at its top level.

Asinine, absurd, and zero good faith bargaining position by the IOC if true.

That alone is enough for the NHL to say we're not going IMO.