01-03-2024, 04:09 PM
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#5081
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evil of fart
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
Naw, the normal door was great. Back then most sliding doors sucked anyway. I don't ever remember thinking "I wish this thing slid". I do remember the first time someone tried getting out of the drivers side of a dual rear slide minivan (can't remember the model) at the gas station while I was pumping gas, and the design fail of that particular scenario.
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Hah, that's funny. That is something they seemed to have sorted out in my 2007 and 2011 Siennas. Electric sliding door wouldn't open if the fuel door was open on that side.
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01-03-2024, 04:09 PM
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#5082
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wins 10 internets
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: slightly to the left
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Originally Posted by Sliver
[*]The rear bias in the AWD system is awesome and it's super quick to disable traction and stability control with a hard button. You can easily kick the ass end out and have a blast. In my Mercedes, you had to disable that stuff through the infotainment while stopped, which was the lamest thing ever.
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This is a feature I didn't know I wanted until I had it. At first the only thing that bummed me out about upgrading from a 2008 Mazda 3 to a 2022 was losing my manual parking break, I loved sliding that thing around snow covered parking lots. But after realizing that in the new 3 I could turn TT off with one button and start going Dukes of Hazzard around corners I could never go back
Oh and yea, those dimpled rims are super distracting. Whoever thought that was a good design choice should be fired, at first glance it looks like air bubbles in the paint
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01-03-2024, 04:11 PM
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#5083
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My face is a bum!
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I owned a Volvo S40 T5 AWD for a while. I realized how big of a mistake that was the day I went to disable the stability control to have some fun in the snow. You couldn't. It was awful.
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01-03-2024, 04:14 PM
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#5084
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evil of fart
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Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda
This is a feature I didn't know I wanted until I had it. At first the only thing that bummed me out about upgrading from a 2008 Mazda 3 to a 2022 was losing my manual parking break, I loved sliding that thing around snow covered parking lots. But after realizing that in the new 3 I could turn TT off with one button and start going Dukes of Hazzard around corners I could never go back
Oh and yea, those dimpled rims are super distracting. Whoever thought that was a good design choice should be fired, at first glance it looks like air bubbles in the paint
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I literally have to make a concerted effort to not look at the wheels as I walk up to the car. I've never put more thought into replacing the wheels on any car I've ever had ever. They truly couldn't be worse. Changing them to black did help a bit, though. I know that's not everyone's cup of tea, but that's usually because it makes the wheels sort of blend into the background and you sort of lose them. YES. That's correct. That's why I did it hah.
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01-03-2024, 04:16 PM
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#5085
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evil of fart
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Originally Posted by Bill Bumface
I owned a Volvo S40 T5 AWD for a while. I realized how big of a mistake that was the day I went to disable the stability control to have some fun in the snow. You couldn't. It was awful.
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I remember figuring that out in a Passat I had for a couple years. I was like, 'wait. no. noo, god no.' Looked online for hacks and...nothing. It's always on. Make sure you don't have any fun out there!
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01-03-2024, 04:17 PM
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#5086
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Dirty Deep South Baby!
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So started looking for car/SUV Hybrid ones and oh boy, everyone is asking more than the MSRP! They are calling it “Market Adjustment”! Is this the way moving forward?
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01-03-2024, 04:17 PM
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#5087
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My face is a bum!
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My current car has a button again, and 3 helpful modes:
- Minimal fun
- We'll let you get the tail out, but will save you from killing yourself
- Do as you must
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01-03-2024, 04:18 PM
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#5088
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Sliver
Finally getting around to posting some photos of my new (to me) car. TLDR: photos of car are in spoiler tags at the bottom of the post. I bought a 2022 Genesis G80 Sport+. It's the one with the 3.5 liter twin turbo. A few notes on my choice: - At 6'4" I wanted something totally comfortable for a tall person. This is the most comfortable sport sedan of any of its competitors for me. All the German cars have become too small.
- Wanted AWD and it to be fast, but I didn't feel the need to have the fastest car out there. Last car was a monster with about 550hp and over 600 pound-feet of torque. I didn't ever get a ticket in it, but this 375hp in my new car is much more rational for where I am right now. It's faster than peppy, but I'm not instantly breaking the law just by blipping the throttle.
- Needed great self-driving tech. This car nails it for me. Can press a button and it'll take care of 90% of the driving for me in stop-and-go rush hour. It'll also do 90% of the driving for me on the highway between Calgary-Canmore/Lake Louise...I'm on that highway at least once per week.
- The rear bias in the AWD system is awesome and it's super quick to disable traction and stability control with a hard button. You can easily kick the ass end out and have a blast. In my Mercedes, you had to disable that stuff through the infotainment while stopped, which was the lamest thing ever.
- I know it's a tired old song at this point, but I truly hate cars that are a slab of glass with no physical controls and a bunch of ugly/messy gloss black. I love how in this car I have to rotate a crystal disk to put it into drive. To control the volume a I roll a knurled dial/knob. There are great touch points and physical buttons without having button overload. You can control the infotainment with the screen if you want, but I rarely touch it as I don't like fingerprints on my stuff. There is a super nice interface wheel with a centre button right where you rest your arm, so you can control everything without screwing around with touching the screen. Just makes me feel like I'm enjoying the car more. I also have a hot button programmed that I press and it makes the screen go black for a really chill environment. And there is no gloss black, woot.
- This car came with five years of "white-glove service". That's free maintenance and oil changes, but get this: They come to me - wherever I am in the city - drop off a loaner car (only time I've used this so far they gave me a brand new GV70 with the 3.5TT engine), take my car for service, then call me to find me again when the service is done and grab their car and drop mine off. It's fkn magic. Talk about a time/hassle saver. I don't think I could ever go back to messing around with dropping a car off for service. I'd feel like a caveman.
Some kind of gimmicky but fun stuff: - I can press a button and the car will park itself. It'll back into a spot or parallel park itself. I can even do this while standing outside the car and just pressing a button on the key fob. Like, what? That's insane.
- 3D digital gauge cluster. Gimmick, but cool AF. I love it.
- In the HUD, it'll show album art when I change tracks. Sounds small, but I love seeing some obscure band's album from 30 years ago (like The Smalls) floating in mid-air above the hood as I'm cruising down the highway. Just makes things fun and happy.
- Four-wheel steering. I guess that's not really a gimmick, but it is pretty cool. It totally shrinks the car for parking and allows you to make way tighter turns. At slower speeds the rear wheels turn opposite of the front wheels to rotate the rear end and at faster speeds the rear wheels turn the same direction as the front wheels for sharper handling/lane changes.
Some compromises: - Some of the aesthetic choices are not totally my bag. The vents on the side front fender are a bit much, but I do see these on a lot of vehicles right now, so it is apparently a style that can be hard to avoid. Not a deal breaker, obviously.
- I really don't like the wheels. I powder coated mine black because the factory grey was especially lame (IMO) and looked plasticky, but they're really nice for winter wheels, I guess. My plan is to buy some five-spoke wheels for the summer that are a bit concaved. I think it'll suit the car more.
- The car had a bunch of dark chrome accents, which I didn't like. I wrapped them in black just to tone them down a bit. Also had chrome exhaust tips, which I powder coated black as I didn't like those, either. Fewer different colours/materials on a car = less busy-looking to me.
Other little things I've done: Tinted the windows all the way around at 25%. TBH, that's a little dark and I think I should have gone 35%. Hardwired my radar detector. Slightly tinted the red reflectors at the back to match them to the hue of the red taillights. They were slightly redder and it looked a bit off. I also debadged it. I originally did this before I ceramic coated it and was going to replace the badges with some nicer ones, but I ended up preferring it with no badges at all - not an aesthetic I normally like (although I always take off the "SPORT" decals and such from, like, my F-150s and stuff).
Aside from it being a better fit for me than the myriad of other cars I drove (see my list a few posts above), probably the best part is the bang for buck/value. It was literally $100,000 less than the runner up (Porsche Macan GTS). The Macan was more fun to rip around in, but the reality is for me right now I'm on the highway to and from the mountains and driving around the city to and from work 99% of the time I'm driving. Full rips in the Macan are unreal in every conceivable way, but the Genesis is by far the better vehicle for how I operate right now. And will it depreciate like crazy? Probably, but I picked it up with 20,000kms on the clock and it was just 18 months old. I saved over 35% from new. Depreciation - at this point, anyway - worked awesome in my favour.
Anyway, here are some shots:
I'm so stoked on my choice (had it for three months now). No regrets at all, and I like having a Genesis as I hope they push other manufacturers to be better and offer greater value. I don't like the melted-face garbage Mercedes is pumping out (every model looks the same and so bland). I think new BMWs and Mercedeses are way too reliant on screens and capacitive touch, which I hate. There's no sense of occasion when I drove those cars and when it's just slabs of glass everywhere they really don't feel like you're having luxurious experience befitting of the price. I came from a 2012 CLS550 and whenever I drove any German car and got back into my 2012 it just felt so much nicer and like what I think of when I think "luxury". The G80 retains that sense of luxury in my view. The interior is beautiful. The ambient lighting is lovely and tasteful (unlike how you feel like you're driving a disco ball when you're in a Mercedes now).
Also love Genesis' service. The white glove situation I mentioned above blows anything Merc, Audi or BMW have out of the water. I also don't have to pay for apps and features. I have every option the Germans have, plus a whole bunch more, didn't get bent over and I have a totally comprehensive app for starting, monitoring my vehicle, adjusting climate, etc. all included with no subscription costs.
We'll see how this car ages and how it feels in time. My Mercedes was getting too many rattles that I was always chasing (had about 115,000kms on it) and the air suspension was feeling really tired by the end. I wouldn't want air again...it's just not that great and never cornered as well as my G80 does.
That's probably more than enough on that.
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Genesis have really snuck into the game and put put a good product I want a new G70 v6 TT AWD. I'm not 6'4 so it would work for me. Sexy cars. Only thing I dislike on the g80/90 or the GV 80/90 is the God awful setting wheel that looks like a boat floatation device. That's about it.
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01-03-2024, 04:19 PM
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#5089
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by DylanScores
So started looking for car/SUV Hybrid ones and oh boy, everyone is asking more than the MSRP! They are calling it “Market Adjustment”! Is this the way moving forward?
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I'd wait a year. Markets gonna flatline fast and dealers are gonna scramble to move product. The used market is already dropping I believe
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01-03-2024, 04:20 PM
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#5090
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Table 5
"I don't want a van. Everyone will think I'm a soccer mom!" - Every soccer mom in a jellybean crossover.
My wife is the same, is vehemently against driving a van, yet would be more than ok with driving the generic crossover that has replaced the van as the mom-mobile. Atleast she still thinks wagons are cool.
Having said that, I'm not really sure what the big deal is with driving a mom-mobile. Being a good mom is awesome. It may not be cool, but just like being a dad, you'll never be cool. No matter what you drive, nobody will mistake you for a 20 year old supermodel when you have 2 kids and all 5 bags of their crap draped all over you. Just embrace reality and make your life easier.
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My wife has accepted the van and is willing to talk any mom-friends who are van-curious about the benefits of a van. We even give the key to friends and let them whip it around the block on occasion. For really young kids, it's a game changer. For slightly older kids, we totally understand and are also counting down the days where we migrate back to a sedan or maybe luxury SUV. Unfortunately luxury wise, there's like... Touring version and then the insanity of the Alphard. Nothing in between. I'd love a van that has more of a premium feel to it, sleeper level power and AWD for those snowy days (TCS often keeps kicking in like crazy when I drive it). An AWD EV van might be my "sports car" of choice hands down.
#### the cyber truck. Give me something that really shoots down the highway like a bullet train that lost the passenger cars!
I remember one time with the back seats folded down, I looked at my wife and said, "Look a benefit of a van!" and proceeded to throw stroller, diaper bags and groceries in without sorting and looking. Every day used to be Tetris finals for our older sedan's trunk. Then as she got in to sit beside the baby, I loudly declared, "Let me hold the door for you." Then because of the built in vacuum, I was like, "Man, this feature sucks!"
In hindsight, I am lucky AF she accepted the van...
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Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda
This is a feature I didn't know I wanted until I had it. At first the only thing that bummed me out about upgrading from a 2008 Mazda 3 to a 2022 was losing my manual parking break, I loved sliding that thing around snow covered parking lots. But after realizing that in the new 3 I could turn TT off with one button and start going Dukes of Hazzard around corners I could never go back
Oh and yea, those dimpled rims are super distracting. Whoever thought that was a good design choice should be fired, at first glance it looks like air bubbles in the paint
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Hey similar situation. Sad about the manual parking brake until I got my current car that can do snowy U turns on sports mode+.
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01-03-2024, 04:22 PM
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#5091
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: NYYC
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Originally Posted by dammage79
Up until maybe 15 years ago, minivans were horrid contraptions. It wasn't propaganda when you look back at Astro vans, windstars, aerostars, old caravans, venturas, lumina vans.
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I dunno, they may not measure up today, but if you compare them to most of their contemporaries, they were often still a step up compared to what your average person drove. And if you compare them to what they were replaced with (SUVs), they were leagues ahead in refinement. If you think a Caravan was spartan, go drive an old Jimmy or 4Runner... those things were basically tractors with doors.
Maybe because we didn't have much money money and my family drove small Japanese hatchbacks, but every time I had the honor of being driven in my friend's Grand Caravan, it felt like being inside a rolling palace. They sure didn't have luxuries like "captains chairs" or "power windows" in our Mazda 323.
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01-03-2024, 04:31 PM
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#5092
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: NYYC
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Originally Posted by Bill Bumface
Previa >>> MPV
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The Previa will always be the coolest van of all time. Looked like a space ship, came in rear or all-wheel drive, was mid-engined(!), available in a manual, and you could buy it in yellow. It's like the Sr-71 Blackbird of vans...every van afterwards has seemed like a downgrade in comparison.
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01-03-2024, 04:32 PM
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#5093
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evil of fart
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Originally Posted by dammage79
Genesis have really snuck into the game and put put a good product I want a new G70 v6 TT AWD. I'm not 6'4 so it would work for me. Sexy cars. Only thing I dislike on the g80/90 or the GV 80/90 is the God awful setting wheel that looks like a boat floatation device. That's about it.
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Hah, interesting. I know the wheel (and other interior ovals, for that matter) is not my thing in this version of the GV70. Like, the steering wheel in particular would prevent me from buying this vehicle:
I really like the wheel in my car. I think it looks awesome:
All good if you don't like it, though (of course). There are so many details in cars it's impossible to find one that is perfection for all of our individual tastes IMO.
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01-03-2024, 04:35 PM
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evil of fart
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Originally Posted by dammage79
Genesis have really snuck into the game and put put a good product I want a new G70 v6 TT AWD. I'm not 6'4 so it would work for me. Sexy cars. Only thing I dislike on the g80/90 or the GV 80/90 is the God awful setting wheel that looks like a boat floatation device. That's about it.
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I love those. The fit is actually fine for my size, but the seat behind me becomes useless is all (that happens in a lot of cars, so really not a knock on the G70). A luxurious Stinger? Fk yeah.
Hyundai/Kia/Genesis are so awesome for allowing a seat to go far back and making it wide enough for large people. I love their products.
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01-03-2024, 04:38 PM
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evil of fart
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Originally Posted by Table 5
The Previa will always be the coolest van of all time. Looked like a space ship, came in rear or all-wheel drive, was mid-engined(!), available in a manual, and you could buy it in yellow. It's like the Sr-71 Blackbird of vans...every van afterwards has seemed like a downgrade in comparison.
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Absolutely. Mid-engined and turboed haha. Plus an ice maker (wtf?).
I actually think the Pontiac Trans Sport looked awesome, too, but Previas ruled.
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01-03-2024, 04:39 PM
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#5096
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: NYYC
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How's the handling in the Genesis? I know that's one thing Hyundai/Kia's seemed to have struggled with over the years. But maybe things have changed, or things improve when you step up.
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01-03-2024, 04:41 PM
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#5097
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: NYYC
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Originally Posted by Sliver
Absolutely. Mid-engined and turboed haha. Plus an ice maker (wtf?).
I actually think the Pontiac Trans Sport looked awesome, too, but Previas ruled.
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Oh yeah, forgot about the turbo. Back when having a turbo was still pretty cool.
And yeah I thought Dustbuster vans looked great too. There was just no competing against the total package of peak Toyota.
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01-03-2024, 04:44 PM
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#5098
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Calgary
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Just wanted to say: I'm loving this today. Minivans = mega fun.
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01-03-2024, 04:58 PM
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#5099
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evil of fart
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Originally Posted by Table 5
How's the handling in the Genesis? I know that's one thing Hyundai/Kia's seemed to have struggled with over the years. But maybe things have changed, or things improve when you step up.
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Good question, but it's really going to depend on your expectations.
Better than "normal" cars (Camry, Accord, Sonata, Charger, etc.)? Yeah, way better. No comparison.
Also way better than my Mercedes CLS, but I really blame the air suspension on that. Even when new it was squirrely on fast sweeping corners as the air suspension didn't soak and rebound fast enough to feel planted. The G80 feels way better from a seat-of-the-pants perspective, but I didn't compare G-force levels or anything objective. I did drive them back-to-back a couple times and the G80 was the superior car for handling.
The G80 isn't an autocross car and you can't compare it to an M car or AMG, of course. But hammer on it around a bend before a merge and doing anything in the city in a very aggressive (but somewhat reasonable) way? I think it handles great.
Not that I'm assigning you homework on a random Internet dude's car, but I feel like Throttle House and Savage Geese nailed their reviews.
Savage Geese's comments on the car is that it is Genesis' best car yet, but still shy of a 5-series when it comes to handling. I don't doubt it, but at that point we're talking about pushing the car at a level that just isn't practical for me. It'll never see a track, but I can actually take the car out for a blast for no other reason than to have fun and enjoy it. I can work on my skill level and push it, but if that's your main thing eventually it would fall short of where you wanted to take it, I think. That would sort of push you into a BMW or another car (S5 Sportback?) where that is more the focus.
Throttle House "loved" the car (Thomas, in particular, and my thoughts on it really mirror his). I think James really liked it, but Thomas loved it.
The rear bias is fantastic. In Sport+ the suspension is crazy firm and it can power slide a corner. In the Savage Geese review they said that at the limit of a super hard corner they felt some weird kick-back or something in the rear when they were coming back straight after pushing the tail out that they didn't like. I haven't been able to replicate that. I've thought it could have something to do with the rear steering, they were pushing it harder than I've pushed mine (I only really had October to play on totally dry/safe/summerish roads), or their tester was just a beat-up press car. I kind of hope it was just that theirs was beat on or they were sending it harder than I want to, but, I mean, once you are sliding with the ass end out and recovering smoothly, how much harder can you push it? I cannot get mine to do what they say there's did.
For a daily driver that's my only car right now (two kids in the house with cars, so I'm sticking to just one vehicle for myself until they move out so I don't look like a used car lot), the handling is great for me.
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01-03-2024, 05:13 PM
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#5100
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Craig McTavish' Merkin
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Great looking car, Sliver. I always mistake them for a Merc when I see one.
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