01-03-2024, 11:58 AM
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#5041
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Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Pickle Jar Lake
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Where are the photos?
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01-03-2024, 12:09 PM
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#5042
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: NYYC
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Sweet! It's hard to find a better luxury value than a Genesis, plus they have a more striking design aesthetic than the Germans these days.
I especially love that red interior (black is always so boring). But yeah those wheels...I'm glad you're looking to replace them, as that's the first thing that jumped out at me.
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01-03-2024, 12:12 PM
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#5043
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My face is a bum!
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There's been lots out there about vehicles getting giant and the rammifications for pedestrians:
Trucks and SUVs deemed way more effective at finishing the job when hunting peds
Big vehicles better at hitting the peds in the first place
There's all the fun videos, like the guy who can't see an entire Corvette, or perhaps a bunch of kids sitting on the ground is more your bag.
I was wondering how Europe, which implemented a ton of regulations including actually raised hood heights to create clearance from the engine to the hood for pedestrian safety, was dealing with producing large SUVs and still complying.
I found a cool site that lets you compare car sizes.
Big Euro SUV (Volvo V90) vs. Big American SUV (Cadillac Escalade), look at the hood heights:
Wow, ok, that's not even close. What about the Escalade vs. what we used to consider a behemoth, the Hummer H1?
What if we grab something small by today's standards and see how it stacks up against the Escalade, like a 911?
All crash/safety regulation seems to revolve around the person in a vehicle surviving a crash, which creates a race to the bottom of bigger and higher behemoths.
What if we focused on avoiding crashes? An easy one to pick out is the massively high belt lines of cars to protect getting T-Boned by the army of huge, high vehicles out there. This comes at the expense of visibility. What if this was solved with bumper/hood heights calming down a bit?
We can still have vehicles that store tons of stuff, and have upright seating positions and lots of comfort without the current insanity.
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01-03-2024, 12:22 PM
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#5044
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evil of fart
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Originally Posted by Table 5
Sweet! It's hard to find a better luxury value than a Genesis, plus they have a more striking design aesthetic than the Germans these days.
I especially love that red interior (black is always so boring). But yeah those wheels...I'm glad you're looking to replace them, as that's the first thing that jumped out at me.
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Yeah and I'm moderately stressed about it, too. A G80 is a pretty rare car, really. I see them pretty much never and I obviously have an eye out for them. Wheels are staggered, which always complicates your choices, and there just isn't a ton made for them. My options are very limited. There's currently nothing available right now. Not a problem yet, but summer will be here before you know it. I cannot roll with these all year hah. The guy at UrbanX told me everything will come out in March and not to worry, so I guess I'll have to hold off for a couple months before I can buy anything.
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01-03-2024, 12:31 PM
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#5045
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evil of fart
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Originally Posted by Bill Bumface
There's been lots out there about vehicles getting giant and the rammifications for pedestrians:
Trucks and SUVs deemed way more effective at finishing the job when hunting peds
Big vehicles better at hitting the peds in the first place
There's all the fun videos, like the guy who can't see an entire Corvette, or perhaps a bunch of kids sitting on the ground is more your bag.
I was wondering how Europe, which implemented a ton of regulations including actually raised hood heights to create clearance from the engine to the hood for pedestrian safety, was dealing with producing large SUVs and still complying.
I found a cool site that lets you compare car sizes.
Big Euro SUV (Volvo V90) vs. Big American SUV (Cadillac Escalade), look at the hood heights:
Wow, ok, that's not even close. What about the Escalade vs. what we used to consider a behemoth, the Hummer H1?
What if we grab something small by today's standards and see how it stacks up against the Escalade, like a 911?
All crash/safety regulation seems to revolve around the person in a vehicle surviving a crash, which creates a race to the bottom of bigger and higher behemoths.
What if we focused on avoiding crashes? An easy one to pick out is the massively high belt lines of cars to protect getting T-Boned by the army of huge, high vehicles out there. This comes at the expense of visibility. What if this was solved with bumper/hood heights calming down a bit?
We can still have vehicles that store tons of stuff, and have upright seating positions and lots of comfort without the current insanity.
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Man, just wait until a Cybertruck cuts some poor soul in half with that knife edge hood. That thing is psycho.
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01-03-2024, 12:45 PM
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#5046
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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I see women driving around by themselves in Escalades, Navigators, and other large SUV's all the time and I always ask myself why they need such a massive vehicle to commute around the city.
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01-03-2024, 01:01 PM
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#5047
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
I see women driving around by themselves in Escalades, Navigators, and other large SUV's all the time and I always ask myself why they need such a massive vehicle to commute around the city.
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You're gonna be in trouble now.
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01-03-2024, 01:05 PM
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#5048
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Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Pickle Jar Lake
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
I see women people driving around by themselves in Escalades, Navigators, and other large SUV's all the time and I always ask myself why they need such a massive vehicle to commute around the city.
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Seriously, think that one through for a minute.
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01-03-2024, 01:06 PM
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#5049
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Originally Posted by PepsiFree
Technically they aren’t. They help to illuminate the road directly in front of you when you’re driving slow, but they don’t actually help you see through fog at driving distance and aren’t intended to do so anyway.
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I thought they were for situations of low visibility like today. When I looked it up, it was recommended in situations such as heavy road spray on highways after rain, snow storm and fog where visibility is less than 100M. Doesn't say anything about driving slow though.
The other scenarios on when to use fog lights, sure. Perhaps I'm wrong on. But it seems odd that fog lights on a foggy day aren't recommended nor the appropriate use. I'd assume that's at least the most appropriate day to use them.
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01-03-2024, 01:13 PM
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#5050
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Bill Bumface
I found a cool site that lets you compare car sizes.
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Wow, ok, that's not even close. What about the Escalade vs. what we used to consider a behemoth, the Hummer H1?
Jesus. An Escalade now needs a higher hood than a Hummer for some reason. "Because aggressive", according to the lead designer.
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I don't disagree with your point, but you're making a bit of a disingenuous comparison here. It's not as though we don't consider the Escalade to be a "behemoth" vehicle: we do. And we always have, since it was introduced. The Suburban(/Tahoe) it's based on was always one of the biggest vehicles available to "personal" consumers, and we've always thought they were very, very big.
What has changed is not the absolute extremes of the sizes of vehicles, but the average. It's people driving RAV4s and Highlanders instead of Corollas and Camrys that has changed quite substantially. Escalades and the like have been around for a long time, and yes they are getting somewhat larger, but the real shift is that the average car form isn't a sedan or a wagon anymore.
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01-03-2024, 01:15 PM
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#5051
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Originally Posted by Bill Bumface
There's been lots out there about vehicles getting giant and the rammifications for pedestrians:
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I saw that in action the other day. There was a giant truck waiting to turn right onto a busy road stopped at an uncontrolled crosswalk. They were looking left, waiting for the traffic to clear. Once it was clear, they looked forward to check the crosswalk and started to go. But because their truck was so tall with a flat front, they didn't see an older woman in a mobility scooter who was crossing from right to left in front of them and smashed into her, pinning her and her scooter under the front of the truck.
In any reasonably sized vehicle, the driver would have clearly seen the person. But with a grocery getter with a 4.5-5' high hood and a flat front, it's basically impossible to see anything that height when it's in front of you.
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01-03-2024, 01:27 PM
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#5052
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Calgary, AB
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Car looks great Sliver and I’ll be interested in your ongoing review. I’m not sure of the year, but we have a blue G80 in our community that I see somewhat regularly and it’s definitely a head turner. We have two young kids, so we’re out of the sedan game for a bit, but the G80 is one of the only sedans left that checks most of the boxes I’d hope for.
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01-03-2024, 01:31 PM
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#5053
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Calgary, AB
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We still have a ton of friends that insist their family is too big for a van and they NEED the big giant behemoth SUVs that are out there. We recently got back from a trip and our car service from the airport both ways were brand new suburbans. It was hilarious just how much bigger those things were than our van, but how small the interior was comparatively. We had two adults, two kids, 3 big suitcases and 4 various bags and the only benefit to the suburban was slightly more leg room in the third row at the expense of less useful cargo space in the back.
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01-03-2024, 01:37 PM
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#5054
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
Seriously, think that one through for a minute.
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Nothing to think about. I'm seeing far more women driving them than men just like I see far more men driving pickup trucks than women and I complain a lot about men and their commuter pickup trucks in the city.
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01-03-2024, 01:41 PM
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#5055
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Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Calgary - Centre West
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Nothing to think about. I'm seeing far more women driving them than men just like I see far more men driving pickup trucks than women.
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Likely because they're the ones who use it to drag their kids and all the crap they need around. And if the dad has to drive it, he still wants to be in a 'truck', because 'berta.
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01-03-2024, 01:43 PM
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#5056
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by TorqueDog
Likely because they're the ones who use it to drag their kids and all the crap they need around. And if the dad has to drive it, he still wants to be in a 'truck', because 'berta.
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That's likely close to the truth in most cases although I imagine the dad has his own pickup truck.
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01-03-2024, 01:49 PM
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#5057
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by bagofpucks
We still have a ton of friends that insist their family is too big for a van and they NEED the big giant behemoth SUVs that are out there. We recently got back from a trip and our car service from the airport both ways were brand new suburbans. It was hilarious just how much bigger those things were than our van, but how small the interior was comparatively. We had two adults, two kids, 3 big suitcases and 4 various bags and the only benefit to the suburban was slightly more leg room in the third row at the expense of less useful cargo space in the back.
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We have a Suburban-ish car for our family hauling duties and there is no way the cargo space in the back of a minivan is more useful. Granted, our use case is a little exceptional... 2 adults, 4 kids, usually an extra friend or two, two dogs, etc...
We originally wanted a van to replace our SUV as our family grew. Test drove them all, even ordered and had a deposit on one (the then-new Pacifica).
As luck would have it, we had a two week trip to Ontario planned that summer and figured it would be a perfect time to get some real world experience living with a van as our rental... Of course, the rental place didn't have a van in when our flight arrived and could sense the disappointment, so offered an Expedition Max... Just as we finish loading it up, the rental clerk calls and says they just got a van turned back in and it was ours if we wanted it. Since we really wanted to experience the van, we accepted and unpacked the Expedition... Lo and behold, we couldn't fit everything in the van, while with the Expedition, we still had room for a Costco run on the way to cottage country.
Vans are great at two things; hauling 7 people, or hauling the "stuff" of 7 people, but start to struggle if you want to do both at the same time (which is kinda the point), so require a compromise on one of those metrics to really shine... 4 people and the stuff of 4 people in your case - easy peasy. Admittedly, the non-extended wheelbase large SUVs face the same compromise between passengers and cargo capacity, and in that case, the lower floor of the minivans will provide more cargo space.
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01-03-2024, 02:03 PM
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#5058
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Scoring Winger
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: Calgary, AB
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Yah, I said how small the interior was comparatively. Those things were a behemoth of a vehicle compared to our van. Again, more leg space in the third row, no doubt. But with how the third row seats were angled, we were not able to pile our luggage in the same way we did with our van, hence why I said it was not as useful.
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01-03-2024, 02:07 PM
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#5059
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Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Calgary - Centre West
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Aside: Sliver's car looks f-cking great. Agree about the wheels, but I would say diamond-turned finish for the summers.
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
That's likely close to the truth in most cases although I imagine the dad has his own pickup truck.
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An earlier draft of my post mentioned that he probably has a pickup truck too, yeah.
I played around with that CarSized.com site, and holy crap. I've gotten to sit in the new full-fat Range Rover (L460) lately, and I thought it felt f-cking massive compared to both the previous L405 RR and my L320 Range Rover Sport.
But compared the current Escalade? The RR L460 looks like a Volvo XC90 -- hell, front to back and top to bottom, they're within 10 cm of each other.
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01-03-2024, 02:12 PM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by you&me
We have a Suburban-ish car for our family hauling duties and there is no way the cargo space in the back of a minivan is more useful. Granted, our use case is a little exceptional... 2 adults, 4 kids, usually an extra friend or two, two dogs, etc...
We originally wanted a van to replace our SUV as our family grew. Test drove them all, even ordered and had a deposit on one (the then-new Pacifica).
As luck would have it, we had a two week trip to Ontario planned that summer and figured it would be a perfect time to get some real world experience living with a van as our rental... Of course, the rental place didn't have a van in when our flight arrived and could sense the disappointment, so offered an Expedition Max... Just as we finish loading it up, the rental clerk calls and says they just got a van turned back in and it was ours if we wanted it. Since we really wanted to experience the van, we accepted and unpacked the Expedition... Lo and behold, we couldn't fit everything in the van, while with the Expedition, we still had room for a Costco run on the way to cottage country.
Vans are great at two things; hauling 7 people, or hauling the "stuff" of 7 people, but start to struggle if you want to do both at the same time (which is kinda the point), so require a compromise on one of those metrics to really shine... 4 people and the stuff of 4 people in your case - easy peasy and admittedly probably better than the alternative SUV.
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I can agree the van is a little bit of an odd ball at times.
Vans are better for older people due to the lower height profile, sliding doors are awesome for tighter parking spots/dumb kids and aiding the elderly, sliding or removing the middle row and a shallower but deeper trunk (almost vertical) has its pros and cons. The deeper vertical trunk means less stuff falls out from the bottom and if you use a cargo net, closer to the top as well. The space is redistributed towards the front for a more comfortable loading/unloading and seating experience for the second and third row passengers.
Trucks and SUVs have seemingly more storage in the back due to a deeper and more horizontal trunk which is more comparable to a sedan. This might work better for some and is perhaps more beneficial due to less requirements to consider stacking of certain things in the trunk. A van is typically more shallow and vertical in the same way as perhaps a hatchback or wagon?
In vacation mode, for my van, I'd typically put most of my luggage in the back and food combination in the back or mid depending on how fragile the food is (ie: is it stackable or not) due to the more vertical vs horizontal trunk space of SUV. When I reach the destination, it is indeed more of a pain in the ass to have passengers climb over these items in the middle row to get out.
But on ski trips with a group of friends, it's always nice to have a van in the group so that you can just drop down the seats and throw gear in haphazardly like an equipment room and rejuggle the seating arrangement with the other vehicles. Also nice to have it enclosed and warmed so that the snow/ice can melt and the gear won't be all wet by the time you get back to the city (I refuse their stinky clothing). Or in the summer, sometimes we consolidate a supply run/wine purchases/beach gear into the van and redistribute stuff and passengers as needed.
Flexibility is the strength of a van, but for people who have fine tuned their vehicle experience, I can totally see how that flexibility can turn into a detriment.
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