For f-cking what? I literally said in my response to GreenLantern that I wouldn't consider her Indigenous based on her claims, adopted or not.
I guess the context of my statement didn't make sense. I wasn't linking the parenthetical phrase to the one before it, but rather the one after:
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(Despite people like you&me and TorqueDog's complete ignorance...) She was arguably the biggest, most visible and 'vocal' Indigenous artist in the world in the '70s and '80s.
This was based on your post wherein you wrote "I don't know who Buffy Sainte-Marie is:
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That was the first name that popped into my head when I saw the thread title, given that I don't know who Buffy Sainte-Marie is.
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Rachel Dolezal (born 1977)[53][54] – Although Dolezal is better known for claiming to be African-American, she began her career claiming to be Native American, telling people that she was born in a tipi and grew up hunting for food with bows and arrows.
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Danielle Smith - Premier of Alberta who claimed to have a Cherokee great-great-grandmother who was a victim of the Trail of Tears. An investigation from APTN National News found no evidence Smith's ancestors were Indigenous or part of the Trail of Tears.
Joseph Boyden CM (born October 31, 1966) is a Canadian novelist and short story writer of Irish and Scottish descent.[2][3] He also claims Indigenous descent, but this is widely disputed.[3][4] Joseph Boyden is best known for writing about First Nations culture. Three Day Road, a novel about two Cree soldiers serving in the Canadian military during World War I, was inspired by Ojibwa Francis Pegahmagabow, the legendary First World War sniper. Joseph Boyden's second novel, Through Black Spruce, follows the story of Will, son of one of the characters in Three Day Road. The third novel in the Bird family trilogy was published in 2013 as The Orenda.
He Was Hollywood’s Favorite Native American, But Iron Eyes Cody Wasn’t Native At All
The science as I know it is pretty cool too. The first humans into North America and eventually South were the Clovis people and DNA evidence has shown that the migration of the Clovis was oneway. All indigenous peoples of North and South America have Clovis DNA markers.
New Evidence Complicates the Story of the Peopling of the Americas
The findings weren’t the first to challenge the so-called Clovis-first model, named after the Clovis people, who were thought to have been the first to pass through Beringia. The White Sands findings were, however, the most conclusive, agree researchers who spoke with The Scientist. “For a long time, there’s been a consensus view that [human-occupied] sites that were 13,000 years old or so were legitimate,” but that archaeological finds dating back further in time were potentially erroneous, says Odess. The idea that humans had arrived in the Americas before that time “was controversial,” he explains, “because it was putting people here before the glaciers opened up the path”—an event estimated to have occurred around 13,000 years ago, several thousand years after the peak of the most recent ice age, the so-called Last Glacial Maximum. “But White Sands changes everything.”
Concensus doesn't seem to have shifted much yet. Nice article that let me reorganize some knowledge. I used Clovis incorrectly, to me any people that came over the land bridge were Clovis.
As a plus it still sounds like migration from Asia was oneway, so the DNA would still show indigenous ancestry very accurately.
I guess the context of my statement didn't make sense. I wasn't linking the parenthetical phrase to the one before it, but rather the one after:
This was based on your post wherein you wrote "I don't know who Buffy Sainte-Marie is:
Yeah, my 'ignorance' of who she was being short-hand for "being unaware of" is fair. Probably could have worded that a little bit differently given the subject matter and the fact that the word ignorance is more often than not thrown around under a very different context than simply "being unaware of" these days.
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To the best of my knowledge there was nothing to be gained and mostly a crap load to be lost by claiming native ancestry back in the 1960's, while she may or may not be native I can't see any part of her origin as singer that lends credence to anything more than she believed she was native when she claimed it back in the days when being native was something you hid if you wanted to get on in Canada
Nothing to be gained? There was a renewed interest in all things native in the 60s, the CBC article itself reminds the reader of the hippies and how they loved all that stuff. Without a doubt it started as a little white lie in an interview and when she noticed it was gaining her attention she went it and eventually went full on lunatic, pathological liar. It's show business and this was her angle, her schtick.
These types of stories are incredible, I'm fascinated by the massive amount of bull#### they tell and how stressful it must be to keep track of it.
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To the best of my knowledge there was nothing to be gained and mostly a crap load to be lost by claiming native ancestry back in the 1960's, while she may or may not be native I can't see any part of her origin as singer that lends credence to anything more than she believed she was native when she claimed it back in the days when being native was something you hid if you wanted to get on in Canada
Did you read the story? Why would she threaten people about revealing the truth?
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I’m kind of curious, did she carry a Canadian passport? I’m assuming not, but basically all the accolades she received by claiming to be indigenous and Canadian were a lie.
The CBC documentary pretty much exposed it from multiple angles. I'm not sure how her and here lawyers rebut it but it seemed like a solid story. CBC, like any news source should be questioned on the angles they spin things, but this seemed pretty factual IMO. She doesn't come across well to say the least. Seems to go beyond ignorance and into straight up make up.
CBC has it up on youtube.
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After watching the Fifth Estate piece the only question I have is, did she darken her complexion with makeup through the years? Was it tanning?
Taking opportunities from an actual native artist is something I have a real problem with. There are many talented singers in Canada who would have appreciated those opportunities, not to mention the money made during her career and the home in Hawaii.
There is a lot wrong with this. First of all, she benefitted from numerous awards and accolades by claiming she was indigenous and from Canada. There's no doubt that Can-con played a significant role in her success (not the mention the obvious Order of Canada, stamp, numerous Junos and things like that).
It's just plain fraud. I feel like saying it's anything other than that and trying to soften it by saying "well she really liked natives" is pretty poor.
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I guess the context of my statement didn't make sense. I wasn't linking the parenthetical phrase to the one before it, but rather the one after:
This was based on your post wherein you wrote "I don't know who Buffy Sainte-Marie is:
I will actually admit that when I wrote my first post and questioned Buffy Sainte-Marie's "icon" status, I genuinely thought she was some teenie-bop artist that's been attempted to be crammed down our collective throats by Can-con... kinda like a Tegan and Sara... So in my mind, I was thinking "why are we calling this nobody an 'icon'?"
Like, the name rang a bell just enough to have a passing recognition, but I couldn't tell you a single thing about her... Clearly I was just a little off the mark. Her achievements - regardless of this whole situation - are those of an icon, even if they may not resonate with people born after she peaked. Ooops.
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After watching the Fifth Estate piece the only question I have is, did she darken her complexion with makeup through the years? Was it tanning?
Taking opportunities from an actual native artist is something I have a real problem with. There are many talented singers in Canada who would have appreciated those opportunities, not to mention the money made during her career and the home in Hawaii.
I think she's always had a darker skin complexion which isn't uncommon with Italian heritage.
Her achievements - regardless of this whole situation - are those of an icon, even if they may not resonate with people born after she peaked. Ooops.
