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View Poll Results: If you could vote on Super Tuesday who would you vote for?
Joe Biden 35 16.51%
Michael Bloomberg 14 6.60%
Pete Buttigieg 17 8.02%
Amy Klobucher 9 4.25%
Bernie Sanders 102 48.11%
Elizabeth Warren 23 10.85%
Other 12 5.66%
Voters: 212. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-03-2019, 01:33 PM   #281
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I think the field is starting to be defined. RollingStone with an interesting look.

Biden still ranked number one, but the shine is coming off really fast.

Warren at number two, holding steady and with a signature student debt forgiveness platform that will be a big hit with a number of voters.

Harris at number three and riding the wave of the debate performance.

Sanders at four, but running out of gas. His thunder with the students has been stolen by Warren.

Buttigieg at number five and climbing quickly. Charismatic and is really easy to listen to. Ideas guy that knows how to get things done.

Booker at six, but looking weak. His performance in the debates hurt him.
Guys like Sanders and Booker scare off the centrists too much. Both good guys are competent politicians, but both can probably make a bigger impact outside of the WH. Call it the Jimmy Carter effect maybe.

Also, Booker comes off as a little antagonistic when it comes to race issues. It's a good feature to have when battling in the trenches of politics, but it would probably be divisive when trying to be the president of the country.

Harris to me has to be the best speaker and most well rounded of the big names. You know she isn't a pushover, but she also isn't going to scare whitey the way Booker would. She seems like the type that would fight for everyone just as hard.
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Old 07-03-2019, 01:33 PM   #282
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Donít know specific positions to be honest. Any of the would be vast improvements over anything we currently have in cabinet level positions.
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But what does teen vogue have to say about trump? Complete your research sir!
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No way Harris gets elected president. The right will spin her as a Black Indian Muslim Antichrist woman who lived most her life in Canada and hates America, Guns, God and freedom.
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Guys like Sanders and Booker scare off the centrists too much. Both good guys are competent politicians, but both can probably make a bigger impact outside of the WH. Call it the Jimmy Carter effect maybe.

Also, Booker comes off as a little antagonistic when it comes to race issues. It's a good feature to have when battling in the trenches of politics, but it would probably be divisive when trying to be the president of the country.

Harris to me has to be the best speaker and most well rounded of the big names. You know she isn't a pushover, but she also isn't going to scare whitey the way Booker would. She seems like the type that would fight for everyone just as hard.
If Harris keeps up her "I support busing" talk, she'll scare whitey more than Booker ever could.
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Yeah, I think Harris would be good but she’s unelectable. I want someone who will beat Trump.
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I know very little about Warren, so this was a good summary for me of her.



https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/demo...190801?cmp=rss


Sanders should step aside and let her take the reigns, they seem to have similar polices.
Warren is incredibly accomplished and smart, but also comes with a toughness about her that leads me to believe she'd be able to stand toe to toe against Trump's attacks and shut him up.

The video clip below is of Warren basically destroying Wells Fargo CEO John Stumpf a couple of years ago in Congress for his direction and pressure to his employees to meet sales targets which Americans didn't need but ultimately helped drive the stock price up over those years resulting in 200M directly in his pockets. I bet this guy had never, ever been spoken to like that before!

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Warren is really strong when it comes to domestic policy. It seems to me that she hasn't really been tested on international or military issues. As the debate field shrinks the other candidates will try to expose each others weaknesses.

Sanders strength also is domestic policy but he does have a little more exposure to international policy. His vote against the Iraq war certainly bodes well. One of the interesting things about Sanders is that his campaign from the last election has really transformed the Democratic party. A good deal of his platform that 4 years ago was considered extreme is now being adopted by most of the candidates. Issues like Medicare for all are now supported by the majority of Americans whereas 4 years ago many thought that Obamacare was too "socialist". Whether he wins the nomination or not, Bernie has captured the soul of the Democratic party, at least for now.

Harris has come out strong so far but that's a little easier to do when you are the hunter rather than the hunted. The other candidates will take a good look at her record and be ready for her going forward.

Buttigieg has charisma and great communication skills. The common complaint about him so far is that he is a little light on policy. It will be interesting to see how his campaign develops and if he gets any significant traction. So far, his campaign has a bit of a darkhorse 2008 Obama feel to it.

Biden is struggling to defend his record and communicate his vision. I suspect the more exposure he gets the further he drops in the polls. He still has name recognition, charisma and his time with Obama to help him but those will only take him so far. My wild guess is that he'll end up in 3rd place by the time the dust settles.

I don't really think anyone else stands a chance with the possible exception of Booker. To break into the top tier he'll have to really bring a better performance and some solid policy that differentiates him from the pack.

I sincerely hope the rest of the field gets out of the race soon so that these candidates can really start to build their case.
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I’m happy with what the democratic nomination process has looked like so far: a plethora of candidates with various ideas and strengths. It’ll whittle down to four or five soon enough, and a winner will hopefully defeat DJT. Any - any at all - are an improvement on a massive scale to the Goblin.

Still hope it’s not Biden though! It does seem like his star is falling.
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Know he's a super longshot and has flaws in some of his ideas, but at least he's thinking creatively, innovatively, and actually not predominantly motivated by self-interest...

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https://twitter.com/user/status/1160262756685103104

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ELon Musk supporting Yang:

https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status...62756685103104
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Warren is really strong when it comes to domestic policy. It seems to me that she hasn't really been tested on international or military issues. As the debate field shrinks the other candidates will try to expose each others weaknesses.

Sanders strength also is domestic policy but he does have a little more exposure to international policy. His vote against the Iraq war certainly bodes well. One of the interesting things about Sanders is that his campaign from the last election has really transformed the Democratic party. A good deal of his platform that 4 years ago was considered extreme is now being adopted by most of the candidates. Issues like Medicare for all are now supported by the majority of Americans whereas 4 years ago many thought that Obamacare was too "socialist". Whether he wins the nomination or not, Bernie has captured the soul of the Democratic party, at least for now.

Harris has come out strong so far but that's a little easier to do when you are the hunter rather than the hunted. The other candidates will take a good look at her record and be ready for her going forward.

Buttigieg has charisma and great communication skills. The common complaint about him so far is that he is a little light on policy. It will be interesting to see how his campaign develops and if he gets any significant traction. So far, his campaign has a bit of a darkhorse 2008 Obama feel to it.

Biden is struggling to defend his record and communicate his vision. I suspect the more exposure he gets the further he drops in the polls. He still has name recognition, charisma and his time with Obama to help him but those will only take him so far. My wild guess is that he'll end up in 3rd place by the time the dust settles.

I don't really think anyone else stands a chance with the possible exception of Booker. To break into the top tier he'll have to really bring a better performance and some solid policy that differentiates him from the pack.

I sincerely hope the rest of the field gets out of the race soon so that these candidates can really start to build their case.
Very accurate call by you on Harris and what you predicted happened when Gabbard went after Harris' skeletons as a prosecutor where she kept prisoners in prison despite having evidence that they should have been freed. Her polling took quite the dip after the recent debates, while Gabbard and Yang are two candidates who saw a jump. Not a good look for Harris to the voters who no doubt looked up those stories after watching the debate.
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Know he's a super longshot and has flaws in some of his ideas, but at least he's thinking creatively, innovatively, and actually not predominantly motivated by self-interest...

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https://twitter.com/user/status/1160262756685103104

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ELon Musk supporting Yang:

https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status...62756685103104
Here's Yang, this weekend in Iowa where most of the candidates are, for the State fair. He's definitely worked on his message as it's more crisp and easy to understand his big campaign messages of AI's impact to Americans and UBI.

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Gillibrand out:

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/28/polit...ace/index.html

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Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand dropped out of the race for the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination Wednesday afternoon, ending a campaign that failed to catch on despite the New York Democrat's substantial campaign war chest and high profile position.

"Today, I am ending my campaign for president," Gillibrand said on Twitter. "I am so proud of this team and all we've accomplished. But I think it's important to know how you can best serve. To our supporters: Thank you, from the bottom of my heart. Now, let's go beat Donald Trump and win back the Senate."

Gillibrand's decision to drop out comes as she was on the cusp of failing to qualify for the third Democratic primary debate as she was unable to meet the donor and polling thresholds outlined by the Democratic National Committee.
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Warren should be the nominee, but it needs to be Biden.
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^ Neither of those things is a good idea.

Anyway, Gillibrand dropping makes sense, as she was down to basically zero. Here are the current RCP polling average standings:



Williamson, De Blasio, Ryan, Bullock, Steyer, Bennett, Delaney and Sestak should go pretty much immediately.

Klobuchar is in the debates so she probably stays but she shouldn't, so she goes next, along with Gabbard if she can't get into the October debate. Booker, Castro and O'Rourke probably next. Mayor Pete and Harris have been fading but they've got enough that they'll probably stick it out.
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Warren should be the nominee, but it needs to be Biden.
I think Sanders needs to bow out and send the Bernie Bros over to Warren. Putting Biden against Trump pretty much guarantees a Trump win, IMO.
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I think Sanders needs to bow out and send the Bernie Bros over to Warren. Putting Biden against Trump pretty much guarantees a Trump win, IMO.
You think? I am not totally sure that this is an election that can be won on policy.
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You think? I am not totally sure that this is an election that can be won on policy.
Yeah I’m on board for whoever can make Trump look dumbest in the debates. That isn’t Biden.
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Yeah Iím on board for whoever can make Trump look dumbest in the debates. That isnít Biden.
Iím not sure he needs any help with that.
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