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Old 10-29-2016, 02:50 PM   #21
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That's not what I said.
You're right. I was projecting. But seriously, based on your two interactions with EMS you think that everyone has had the same terrible experiences and expressed surprise that there wasn't a push for EMS to wear cameras. Terribly small sample size and there just haven't been reports of the type of violence and perversion of justice that have been made against EMS like they have against members of the policing community. The former shows why your bias appears and the latter is reason why there haven't been calls for on-body cameras on EMS. Either way, it would be a stupid expense for EMS to wear on body cameras due to the costs of the cameras, equipment and storage of the video files.
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Old 10-29-2016, 06:14 PM   #22
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Probably because he seems like more of the politician type and was good at covering these things up. If you look at the dates of most of the negative publicity stuff that's coming out it's mostly from when he was in charge.
Hansen didn't even pay his own speeding tickets.
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Old 10-30-2016, 06:39 AM   #23
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A really good friend was a cop for five years but quit because he hated the culture. He hated the typical angry meat head he had to work with, the violence and disrespect towards the public, the "club" where you had to cover for each other. That was in the '90's.

I got mad at a guy in a parking lot a few days ago, didn't honk or flip him off or anything...just a scowly look at the moment he almost hit me. I got out of the car, minded my own beezwax and started walking to the building. The guy approached me, asked if I had a problem. So I gave him a full explanation of the accident he almost caused. Then he showed me his CPS sweater and told me he's going to summons me for causing a disturbance. When I pointed out there was no one around to be disturbed and that he spoke to me first he said it didn't matter because the courts always believed cops over people like me. Kind of makes me hate cops again.

I appreciate the good job they do. I appreciate how hard it is to deal with idiots all the time. But I also think they should appreciate the job they have. It's an honor to be in their position. It's human nature to want to save someone from the proverbial burning building. I would consider myself lucky to be in a position to do that. Some of them don't get it. Burning buildings are the every day interactions with vulnerability both good and bad.

There should be some form of job rotation so they can do something else for a while. Definitely body cams. And much harsher sentences when cops are convicted.
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Old 10-30-2016, 08:53 AM   #24
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A really good friend was a cop for five years but quit because he hated the culture. He hated the typical angry meat head he had to work with, the violence and disrespect towards the public, the "club" where you had to cover for each other. That was in the '90's.

I got mad at a guy in a parking lot a few days ago, didn't honk or flip him off or anything...just a scowly look at the moment he almost hit me. I got out of the car, minded my own beezwax and started walking to the building. The guy approached me, asked if I had a problem. So I gave him a full explanation of the accident he almost caused. Then he showed me his CPS sweater and told me he's going to summons me for causing a disturbance. When I pointed out there was no one around to be disturbed and that he spoke to me first he said it didn't matter because the courts always believed cops over people like me. Kind of makes me hate cops again.

I appreciate the good job they do. I appreciate how hard it is to deal with idiots all the time. But I also think they should appreciate the job they have. It's an honor to be in their position. It's human nature to want to save someone from the proverbial burning building. I would consider myself lucky to be in a position to do that. Some of them don't get it. Burning buildings are the every day interactions with vulnerability both good and bad.

There should be some form of job rotation so they can do something else for a while. Definitely body cams. And much harsher sentences when cops are convicted.
This post right here is pretty ####ed up.

Mostly concerning for guys like me that don't know when to keep their mouths shut in Public.
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Old 10-30-2016, 09:18 AM   #25
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I hope technology can help with the culture. Seems like bodycams and really just continually monitoring how they go about their jobs should help. Sucks to have people second-guessing what might be split-second decisions, but I've seen enough bad apples that it's worth it in my opinion.

Civilian oversight and improved technology would go a long way in my opinion.
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So what are the incidents that prompted this thread? because a guy was resisting and got a couple weak shots to the head?
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Old 10-30-2016, 11:31 AM   #29
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So what are the incidents that prompted this thread? because a guy was resisting and got a couple weak shots to the head?
Have you been following the news lately? Much more than that. 9 Calgary police officers have faced charges in the last 6 months and there are several complaints of sexual harrasment and bullying...

Do people just close their eyes when stuff like this happens in Calgary?
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If someone sends a dick pick to a female colleague after their shift, they should be fired. It doesn't matter cop or otherwise but that is a cop just feeds into all the garbage that has been going on in the force. Or perhaps its just that now its becoming known.

This appears to be cleanup time, and that maybe Hansen wasn't such a good chief after all.
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If someone sends a dick pick to a female colleague after their shift, they should be fired. It doesn't matter cop or otherwise but that is a cop just feeds into all the garbage that has been going on in the force. Or perhaps its just that now its becoming known.

This appears to be cleanup time, and that maybe Hansen wasn't such a good chief after all.
I agree. Unless maybe if you are a porn star, this is totally unacceptable and should result in immediate termination at any job.
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But...but...but some Calgary police women have come out and "backed the blue" claiming they haven't faced anything of the sort.

I guess we should just ignore rape victims and sexual assault victims because other women haven't faced the same things.

Can't believe this trash article was written and published.

http://m.torontosun.com/2016/10/26/f...-back-the-blue
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Old 10-30-2016, 12:37 PM   #33
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Although I've seen a few incidents of CPS being dicks, for the most part my experience with them has been positive.

EMS on the other hand, I've had half a dozen interactions and all of them have been overwhelmingly negative. They've been rude, incompetent and generally unhelpful. I'm actually surprised that there isn't more of a push to have them wear body cams. On two separate occasions I had the misfortune of calling 911 for people that had emergencies and both times the EMS that showed up were verbally abusive to the people who needed help. One had just had a seizure (his first ever) and another was an elderly man who slipped and fell and was injured quite badly.
Really? Man, I give those guys a ton of credit, them and Firefighters, thats really hard stuff. I've got a few EMTs as clients and the kind of #### they see on a daily basis? The Whisky industry would make a mint off of me if I were an EMT.

It kind of reminds me of being a line cook. They've got a job to do and short time to do it in.

EMTs are similar, their job is to get you to the Hospital in the best condition they can manage. They're not here to be nice to you, they're here to get you to the hospital, so STFU, get on the stretcher and get in the Van!

Incompetent? I cant comment on that too much other than the concept that sometimes doing something quickly can often be misconstrued as doing something badly.

And if they're in a foul mood it could be because they think you're wasting their time which should be spent on getting the unfortunate participant of an illicit monkey knife fight to the hospital.

Or they're just really jaded. Which I can also totally understand. My one EMT client indicated that there is an ongoing pool for 'craziest thing inserted in the human body.'

They asked me if I wanted to see the photos, but I politely declined. I'll take their word for it.
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Have you been following the news lately? Much more than that. 9 Calgary police officers have faced charges in the last 6 months and there are several complaints of sexual harrasment and bullying...

Do people just close their eyes when stuff like this happens in Calgary?
wow, ok I guess I have some reading to do
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Old 10-30-2016, 01:03 PM   #35
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Obviously CP is a mostly middle to upper class white message board so the overwhelming majority of police encounter stories are going to be "Well, whenever I'm pulled over for speeding I'm polite and they're polite and friendly back and I go on my way, by golly I don't know how anyone could have an issue with CPS".

Anecdotally, they are pretty tough and sometimes unfair to minorities in our poorer areas. Random pull overs with drivers asked to prove they're on the up and up, racial profiling etc.

For me it's been mostly positive interactions, but again, white guy. It feels wrong (and such a white person thing to do) to take my personal experiences and hold it over people of other income levels and ethnic backgrounds and say "well, they've been good to me so not sure how other people could see it differently, weird, they must be doing something to attract that attention".
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Seeing as perception is sometimes reality (as evidenced by most people's perception of police being painted heavily by either a polite, friendly encounter vs a rude, intimidating one) it's a wonder why Calgary Police don't put a heavy, heavy emphasis on polite, friendly public interactions in ANY situation where it's possible.

I'm not talking about the guy tweaking out and being rude to the cops and posing a possible danger, or even the person going dangerously fast. But just the day to day ticketing situations. Go out of their way to take an annoying practice (getting a ticket doesn't make anyone's day better) and try to be as polite as possible and not take out a previous public encounter with a rude pisshead on the guy going 62 in a 50 zone.
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I was pulled over for a burnt out license plate bulb, the cop gave me a ticket and made threats about towing my car and forcing me to take it to a mechanic. None of that was necessary at all, I can think of any other reason for the officer to act that way except he got enjoyment out of it.

The bulb itself was intermittent which is why I didn't notice, I replaced them both with LEDs.
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Old 10-31-2016, 01:30 AM   #38
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I've made this comment before. And I don't want to paint with a wide brush. But from my personal experience, every guy I grew up with that took the LEO path, was a massive bully, or just a cruel a-hole. One bullied a kid, and tormented him so long and so viciously, it was likely a factor in his victims suicide. Like we're talking stripping him down naked below the waist in a school field, and having 50 kids laugh at him, or another one I remember, picking massive boogers, and shoving his fingers in the kids mouth. One day he just never showed up, and we found out a few days later he hung himself. Another one I knew, did some stuff in High School, that would have landed him a very long prison sentence had he done this stuff to women as an adult just a year or two later.

It has always made me question the validity of their vetting process, as these types of sociopathic tendencies, you'd think would be caught. So either the system is too easy to beat, or they are looking for bullies and rapists. My guess would be the former, and they need to seriously look at their hiring practices, and mental fitness assessments.

The other bizarre thing I always found, were cops kids, were usually the absolute worst of the worst. Dealing drugs, stealing, acting with total impunity. You'd think if your old man was catching bad guys, you'd be the other way around.

Anyway, I'm sure there are a lot of good police officers out there. But I think there are a lot more bad ones than anyone in Law Enforcement is willing to admit. And with these recent claims being made by the women in CPS, it sounds far more widespread than anyone thought.
Yeah, I agree with this. I took Criminal Justice in school and most of the guys that wanted to be Police Officers there were absolute tools. They all thought they were the greatest guys on earth, were really self-righteous, and took themselves way too seriously (that said, there were a few super nice guys as well). It really turned me off of wanting to be a cop. I still might go down that road, I haven't decided yet, but I'm starting to look at other options for myself. The police culture can be ridiculous and I'm not sure I'm a fan of how a lot of those types of people act.
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I had nothing but overwhelmingly positive experiences with CPS in my time in Calgary, they are awesome. Conversely, I've had nothing but negative experiences elsewhere in Alberta with Lethbridge Police far and away the worst, and Edmonton Police just generally rotten in their mandate to maximize revenue with speed traps.
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Old 10-31-2016, 05:32 AM   #40
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Can't believe this trash article was written and published.

http://m.torontosun.com/2016/10/26/f...-back-the-blue
That is a brutal article. Here's a follow up from yesterday...

http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-...oming-to-light

Maybe this is coming to light now because the newish chief is willing to do something about it.
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