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Old 08-13-2019, 12:28 PM   #401
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Are you saying the Calgary Police are peddling fake news?

You mean the supposed "spike" report that Peter12 asked for a link to 4 pages ago and has yet to appear?
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Old 08-13-2019, 12:29 PM   #402
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That's good - I'm truly glad she feels safe. I'm saying that I wouldn't personally feel safe living or working by a SIS, and that's okay. I'm pointing out that it's okay to have NIMBY-ism regarding places like this without being labelled as someone who just doesn't give a #### about addicts. There are lots of legitimate concerns.
There aren't any legitimate concerns. No one in this thread has mounted a convincing case beyond some minor anecdotal experience.

As Psychnet said, there is far more risk a person goes through by being around a major roadway, yet almost no opposition to the existence of cars.
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Except safety isn't really one of them. Anecdotally or statistically.
How can you think that tangible increased crime doesn't have anything to do with safety?

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Just had a quick look at the Lethbridge Crime Map.
The SIS opened March 1, 2018, the crime map was able to provide information back to August 2017. So I choose the six months leading up to the opening, and then the 3 six months segments since they've been open. I looked at approximately an 8 block area, East of Stafford Drive, to 12A Street, and South of Highway 3, to 3rd Ave.

Prior to the SIS opening, in that area these are the number of reported crimes in the following Categories:

Assault: 16
Sexual Offenses: 0
Theft (Including from vehicles): 28
Weapons: 0
Disorder: 44
Drug/Alcohol: 6

A total of 94 related crimes.

in the 3 six months segments to follow, here are the numbers in the same categories:

Assault: 24 - 19 - 14
Sexual Offenses: 5 - 6 - 4

Theft (Including from vehicles): 103 - 83 - 50
Weapons: 4 - 10 - 6
Disorder: 199 - 228 - 188
Drug/Alcohol: 87 - 47 - 55

Total related charges:
1st segment: 422 - 348.94% Increase in related crimes
2nd segment: 393 - 318.09% Increase in related crimes
3rd segment: 317 - 237.23% Increase in related crimes
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There aren't any legitimate concerns. No one in this thread has mounted a convincing case beyond some minor anecdotal experience.

As Psychnet said, there is far more risk a person goes through by being around a major roadway, yet almost no opposition to the existence of cars.
See my previous post. Increased crime is absolutely a legitimate concern.
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See my previous post. Increased crime is absolutely a legitimate concern.
Not really. I think there is some concern about car break-ins, but as is the case in Vancouver, most of the crime is within the street-entrenched community.

Crime can also be mitigated by increased foot patrols. Homelessness can be mitigated through affordable housing.

These problems won't go away just because their presence makes you uncomfortable.

Vancouver has had decades of looking the other way when it came to the city's opioid epidemic, and look where it has gotten them.
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It's been listed in the thread already, but here's the Calgary Police Report:

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.ne...pdf?1559446857

Follow up reporting just a few days ago:

https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...-police-report

Despite an increased police presence surrounding Calgary’s only supervised drug consumption site, crime and disorder in the immediate area appear to still be on the rise this year, newly released statistics show.
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It's been listed in the thread already, but here's the Calgary Police Report:

https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.ne...pdf?1559446857

Follow up reporting just a few days ago:

https://calgaryherald.com/news/local...-police-report

Despite an increased police presence surrounding Calgary’s only supervised drug consumption site, crime and disorder in the immediate area appear to still be on the rise this year, newly released statistics show.
I swear to sweet baby jeezus most people don't read these reports.

This report is about a 250 m zone around the SIS. The vast majority of calls were to do with the following:
"Unwanted guests, suspicious persons and checks on welfare were the most frequent types of calls."

Yeah, a lot of needle stabbings. As stated, violence is almost minimal.

Increases in break-ins were part of an overall trend upwards across the City Centre, and vehicular break-ins actually decreased.

So you are still wrong.

EDIT: HA if you go back through the historical data, crime has increased in recent quarters but is still lower for most types of crime across the City Centre than it was in 2016! It just looks like certain types of crime (such as drug use) have increased in - surprise, surprise - the 250 m zone around the SIS.

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Not really. I think there is some concern about car break-ins, but as is the case in Vancouver, most of the crime is within the street-entrenched community.

Crime can also be mitigated by increased foot patrols. Homelessness can be mitigated through affordable housing.

These problems won't go away just because their presence makes you uncomfortable.

Vancouver has had decades of looking the other way when it came to the city's opioid epidemic, and look where it has gotten them.
This I agree with. The spike in Assaults and Sexual Assaults are likely almost 100% within the SIS user group. However, that is also highly likely, because non users now avoid what was once a busy commercial area.
Surrounding businesses are suffering because customers no longer want to go to those areas, as when you do, you're likely to witness things that make you uncomfortable, and possibly unsafe. Just because the spike is within the user group, doesn't mean it's safe for others to just casually stroll through without second thought.
I frequent the sports store a half block away from the SIS in Lethbridge, and I know I have personally changed my routine when doing so. In the past, I'd take my young son, go in, drop off skates for sharpening, wander around checking things out, and spend anywhere from 30-90 minutes in the store.
Now, after I've had my vehicle broken into twice in the parking lot while I was in the store with my son, and having him witness people overdosing on the curbs, shooting up, and getting into fights, I now stop in, drop off skates, head to the mall or run other errands, swing back to the sports store, run in, grab my skates and head out. My son doesn't even want to come with me anymore, and I don't blame him.
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Old 08-13-2019, 01:34 PM   #409
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I had no idea as to the level of usage at the Lethbridge injection site. Over 600 visits a day on average and one of the busiest year over year rates in the world!

It definitely sounds like a unique policy failure and a good reminder that harm reduction services need to be implemented with properly and sustainably funded housing and other treatment options.
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