[Trade] Elias Lindholm + Noah Hanifin to Flames for D. Hamilton, Micheal Ferland, & Adam Fox

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Fire

It would have been a weird move for him to go back for year 3 and not decide to go back for year 4. I think the risk of this was high and already lowered his trade value significantly before the Flames traded him, but this would pretty much make it non-existent.

This. I think the Flames fans talking like there was still a chance of signing Fox after he went back for year 3 were being optimistic and hopeful.

I kept getting told we don't know anything yet based on a third year return, but it was just so little time between the end of the third year and getting to become a complete free agent to earn a huge contract with ANY team in the NHL.

Plus, it's a Harvard degree. He was always completing it, imo, and Brad absolutely scored by getting him into a big trade.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by mikephoen

I just spent my lunch break rereading parts of this thread. Highly recommended!

There were a lot of really smart posters who though this trade was terrible! Some of the reactions around page 7 or 8 are really great. Very few were calling this as a Flames win. The Fox inclusion really seemed to be a breaking point for most. A few pages later, more optimism starts to appear, and it just gets more positive as you move ahead.

Now, it's a slam dunk Flames win in less than a year. So much drama in one thread!

There was some serious embarrassing posts for sure. This is why you never fly off the handle on a hockey deal until you see how it pans out.

[Dube]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Jesus. Calgary got fleeced by Don ####ing Waddell.

- This is actually looking worse than the Phaneuf trade

- give up the best player in the deal and the most players in the deal
Absolutely awful.

- We got bent over #### me

- would have been ok with this, had Fox not been a throw in.
I am not impressed with this trade
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- This deal should have been

Hamilton and Ferland for Hanifin and Lindholm

That's it.

Why the #### is Fox in there too????

- robbed by Don freaking Waddell. Ugly.

- GTFO

- What a TERRIBLE TERRIBLE trade.

-I'm sorry but what the hell is Treliving thinking?

-Lindholm sure as **** better score 30G/40A to make this trade digestable.

- I’m so done with this team

- Wtf if that is the Final trade Treliving can pack his #### and hit the road

- So...

Giordano - Brodie
Hanifin - Hamonic
Kulak - Stone
Andersson

I still don't like the forwards. Lindholm is really not much of an upgrade. They'd better not throw in the towel here now.

-Threw away fox and ferland for nothing

Complete garbage

- Yikes. Think the Flames overpaid, again.

- Hamilton is a franchise defensema

[Textcritic]

In case anyone missed it Brad Treliving was on the SN960 morning show for a full hour. You should seriously listen to this.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/960/boomer-...look-playoffs/

At one point in the conversation he gets to talking about this trade in the summer, and says that he had been trying to acquire both Lindholm and Derek Ryan for "two or three years" before the trade happened.

Treliving says he watched Lindholm a lot and really thought that he was going to be a star in the League. Lindholm in Carolina "did everything at an elite level, other than it just didn't go in for him," and the thought was that playing with "the players we expected him to play with that could change."

Hanifin was always seen as possessing "elite physical traits." Treliving points out that he had never spent more than two years playing in any League, and that in his first year in the NHL he was two years out of prep school(!).

[Snapshot]

Lindholm: 79 GP, 27 G, 51 A, 78 P, +32, 20 PIM, 20:05 ATOI, 26 PPP, 4 SHP.
Hanafin: 79 GP, 5 G, 28 A, 33 P, +18, 12 PIM, 20:48 ATOI, 5 PPP, 2 SHP.

Ferland: 68 GP, 17 G, 22 A, 39 P, +12, 58 PIM, 14:09 ATOI, 12 PPP, 0 SHP.
Hamilton: 79 GP, 16 G, 19 A, 35 P, -3, 50 PIM, 19:37 ATOI, 6 PPP, 0 SHP.

[Otto-matic]

Originally Posted by Snapshot

Lindholm: 79 GP, 27 G, 51 A, 78 P, +32, 20 PIM, 20:05 ATOI, 26 PPP, 4 SHP.
Hanafin: 79 GP, 5 G, 28 A, 33 P, +18, 12 PIM, 20:48 ATOI, 5 PPP, 2 SHP.

Ferland: 68 GP, 17 G, 22 A, 39 P, +12, 58 PIM, 14:09 ATOI, 12 PPP, 0 SHP.
Hamilton: 79 GP, 16 G, 19 A, 35 P, -3, 50 PIM, 19:37 ATOI, 6 PPP, 0 SHP.

Locker room changing trade.

Stats aside. The team just looked more committed and played as a 5 man unit this year.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Snapshot

Lindholm: 79 GP, 27 G, 51 A, 78 P, +32, 20 PIM, 20:05 ATOI, 26 PPP, 4 SHP.
Hanafin: 79 GP, 5 G, 28 A, 33 P, +18, 12 PIM, 20:48 ATOI, 5 PPP, 2 SHP.

Ferland: 68 GP, 17 G, 22 A, 39 P, +12, 58 PIM, 14:09 ATOI, 12 PPP, 0 SHP.
Hamilton: 79 GP, 16 G, 19 A, 35 P, -3, 50 PIM, 19:37 ATOI, 6 PPP, 0 SHP.

The TOI is in some ways the most telling statistic here.

Hamilton's first year with the Flames also say him with lower than expected ice time which raised quite a few eyebrows. It's no accident it seems.

I hope Lindholm gets 80 points.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

In case anyone missed it Brad Treliving was on the SN960 morning show for a full hour. You should seriously listen to this.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/960/boomer-...look-playoffs/

At one point in the conversation he gets to talking about this trade in the summer, and says that he had been trying to acquire both Lindholm and Derek Ryan for "two or three years" before the trade happened.

Treliving says he watched Lindholm a lot and really thought that he was going to be a star in the League. Lindholm in Carolina "did everything at an elite level, other than it just didn't go in for him," and the thought was that playing with "the players we expected him to play with that could change."

Hanifin was always seen as possessing "elite physical traits." Treliving points out that he had never spent more than two years playing in any League, and that in his first year in the NHL he was two years out of prep school(!).

What caught my attention was Treliving revealing they were in fact big game fishing (you can connect the dots, his words) at the deadline & the ask was 'two 1st's +Valamaki + An.....' he caught himself, but suffice it to say the ask for stone was not something the Flames were going to pursue if that was the range Ottawa had set.

At least that's how I heard it.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Snapshot

Lindholm: 79 GP, 27 G, 51 A, 78 P, +32, 20 PIM, 20:05 ATOI, 26 PPP, 4 SHP.
Hanafin: 79 GP, 5 G, 28 A, 33 P, +18, 12 PIM, 20:48 ATOI, 5 PPP, 2 SHP.

Ferland: 68 GP, 17 G, 22 A, 39 P, +12, 58 PIM, 14:09 ATOI, 12 PPP, 0 SHP.
Hamilton: 79 GP, 16 G, 19 A, 35 P, -3, 50 PIM, 19:37 ATOI, 6 PPP, 0 SHP.

Here is another comparison that most wouldn't think of..

Ferland: 68 GP, 17 G, 22 A, 39 P, +12, 58 PIM, 14:09 ATOI, 12 PPP, 0 SHP.

47 point pace for the year.

Frolik: 62 GP, 16 G, 18 A, 34 P, +24, 24 PIM, 13:17 ATOI, 0 PPP, 2 SHP.

45 point pace for the year.

Frolik has had 4:27 of PP time ALL YEAR. Ferland 135:35.

So many wanted to run Frolik out of town earlier this year, and i just didnt get it other than the agent thing which, admittedly at the time, didnt come across well optically.

But comparing the quality of ice time each guy got...Frolik is the better offensive player and i dont think defensively they are even in the same stratosphere.

Who would have said that at seasons start?

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Here is another comparison that most wouldn't think of..

Ferland: 68 GP, 17 G, 22 A, 39 P, +12, 58 PIM, 14:09 ATOI, 12 PPP, 0 SHP.

47 point pace for the year.

Frolik: 62 GP, 16 G, 18 A, 34 P, +24, 24 PIM, 13:17 ATOI, 0 PPP, 2 SHP.

45 point pace for the year.

Frolik has had 4:27 of PP time ALL YEAR. Ferland 135:35.

So many wanted to run Frolik out of town earlier this year, and i just didnt get it other than the agent thing which, admittedly at the time, didnt come across well optically.

But comparing the quality of ice time each guy got...Frolik is the better offensive player and i dont think defensively they are even in the same stratosphere.

Who would have said that at seasons start?

When people whined about Frolik, I really questioned their hockey sense. Frolik is the kind of player that cup winning teams have on their roster.

[Roof-Daddy]

As if all the production wasn't enough to make this trade amazing for the Flames, then you add in the fact that Lindholm is younger than Ferland and Hanifin is younger than Hamilton AND Tre got them both locked up long term at roughly $5 million per AAV.

That's just NUTS.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Dan403

When people whined about Frolik, I really questioned their hockey sense. Frolik is the kind of player that cup winning teams have on their roster.

I think most people who were unhappy with Frolik were feeling that way because of the whining he appeared to be doing through his agent publicly. As a fan base we've been waiting a long time for a team like this and we sure didn't want to see it disrupted by a malcontent.

[Dan403]

I believe a big helping of crow is being served up at a few homes this evening...

Originally Posted by Zoller

If Fox is involved this is a major loss for Calgary

Edit: AND FERLAND? RIP Brad Treliving

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Hamilton is easily the best player in the deal so if Fox and Ferland is involved there better be more than just Hanafin and Lindholm coming back.

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

How are the Flames better after this swap? Fox being added makes this a big win for the Hurricanes. Change for the sake of change and the Hurricanes get the best player and prospect in the deal. This is not how good teams operate.

Originally Posted by N-E-B

Hanifin and Lindholm for Hamilton alone was bad, if they add Fox and Ferland I’m absolutely done. What the actual hell...? We better be getting more back.

Originally Posted by Ashasx

wtf are we doing

this is awful

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Hamilton > Hanifin
Ferland out scored Lindholm
Plus Fox?

There has to be more coming our way or I'm going to snap.

Originally Posted by home_sweet_dome

If it's just hanifin and lindholm coming back it's another big loss for the most over-rated GM in flames history

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Phaneuf trade all over again

####ing joke

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Dan403

I believe a big helping of crow is being served up at a few homes this evening...

This evening?

I've been happily eating crow for months now.

[camm13]

It might be a blessing in disguise if the rumored trade for Zucker was for Frolik and 1st that it didn't pan out. Frolik has been especially good down the stretch here, and he already has the team chemistry dynamic. Look at how many deadline trades that haven't quite worked out.

[Dajazz]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

There was some serious embarrassing posts for sure. This is why you never fly off the handle on a hockey deal until you see how it pans out.

I was veeeery sceptical.

The Lindholm we traded for is not the Lindholm we see today. He was a 40p two way player. Ferland was a 25g scorer who could smash faces.

Hamilton, for all his warts, still scored a lot.

So in hindsight the trade didn’t look as good as it did today, if so, Waddell was/is an idiot. Nobody could expect Lindholm to erupt. Hanifin came as advertised.

At the end, a good hockey trade.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

I think most people who were unhappy with Frolik were feeling that way because of the whining he appeared to be doing through his agent publicly. As a fan base we've been waiting a long time for a team like this and we sure didn't want to see it disrupted by a malcontent.

Pretty much it. As fans we tend to expect perfection in all aspects of a players game and character. Suddenly a guy wants to get more ice time and it's made public that he wants more ice time and people are going to assume the player is going to ruin the team.

[Tron_fdc]

Why do people feel the need to dig up posts and serve "I told you so's"?

I've been right and I've been wrong. People a heck of a lot smarter than me have had it happen as well. Who cares? Does it need to turn into a Weiner measuring contest?

The trade worked out monstrously in our favour. That's all that really matters.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Dajazz

I was veeeery sceptical.

The Lindholm we traded for is not the Lindholm we see today. He was a 40p two way player. Ferland was a 25g scorer who could smash faces.

Hamilton, for all his warts, still scored a lot.

So in hindsight the trade didn’t look as good as it did today, if so, Waddell was/is an idiot. Nobody could expect Lindholm to erupt. Hanifin came as advertised...

Well, Brad Treliving did expect precisely that.

Originally Posted by Textcritic

...Treliving says he watched Lindholm a lot and really thought that he was going to be a star in the League. Lindholm in Carolina "did everything at an elite level, other than it just didn't go in for him," and the thought was that playing with "the players we expected him to play with that could change."

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Dajazz

I was veeeery sceptical.

The Lindholm we traded for is not the Lindholm we see today. He was a 40p two way player. Ferland was a 25g scorer who could smash faces.

Hamilton, for all his warts, still scored a lot.

So in hindsight the trade didn’t look as good as it did today, if so, Waddell was/is an idiot. Nobody could expect Lindholm to erupt. Hanifin came as advertised.

At the end, a good hockey trade.

The legend of Micheal Ferland grows!

This trade was a home run the day it was made.

I didn't like the Fox aspect, but once it was clear he was never signing here, it just didn't make a big difference.

BT was swinging for the fences....and connected.