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Old 07-03-2018, 06:04 PM   #41
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Isn't saying transgendered women just as offensive?

A purely tolerant society would just say a women won a beauty contest as her gender has always been female.

So the joke was no more offensive than the article
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Old 07-03-2018, 06:09 PM   #42
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Also the acceptability of a risque or off-color joke is directly proportionate to how funny it is.
Yeah, I think thatís the crux of comedy. Nobody wants to sit around and listen to ####ty jokes, regardless of what theyíre about.
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Old 07-03-2018, 06:47 PM   #43
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Question for you out of my own ignorance as you seem to be in touch with actual community members.

Does a trans person identify as their chosen gender or as a trans version of their chosen gender? Does the label trans have a connotation of "different from" or "used to be" within the community of trans people? Does one maintain an identity of a trans person post all surgery or are they always a trans person?
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Old 07-03-2018, 06:55 PM   #44
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Old 07-03-2018, 06:57 PM   #45
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Amongst those I know, it's a bit of both.

Trans persons identify specifically as their gender, but (nowadays) aren't withholding regarding their birth sex either. The modern movement simply just is, nothing more, nothing less.

Being born to a different sex than your mind aligns with isn't wrong or something to stigmatize, and most quite simply don't give a #### about how that appears to other people.
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Old 07-03-2018, 07:11 PM   #47
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Referring to as transgendered person as 'it'.

Really?

You think that's okay? You're fine with everyone here reading your hateful and degrading views?

Disgusting.

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Referring to as transgendered person as 'it'.

Really?

You think that's okay? You're fine with everyone here reading your hateful and degrading views?

Disgusting.

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You should probably re-enroll in elementary school if you need someone here to explain to you how to properly use tense in a sentence.
aaaaaand there it is... what was largely celebratory in tone has now turned into a name-calling thread. Congrats.
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Well the last few pages have certainly become predictable right down to the posters I would expect to be arguing. Back on the topic of the beauty pageant, if a transgender person is as or more beautiful than a woman then why shouldn't they be able to win a contest judged on beauty? If that bothers some people maybe they should just change the contests to be more like dog shows and label the winners "best in show" where the winners can be male or female.
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I have to disagree with the posts in this thread saying overweight contestants should now be equally allowed to be part of the pageant.

Being obese means you are at greater risk of disease and injury. Not sure any medial professional would disagree with that.

Am I wrong when I say everybody should try to have a healthy target weight? What about role models for kids?

Anyone who has lost any amount of weight or become fit knows the amount of work and focus that’s required to get to that point. Months or years at the gym, major changes to their diet.

I have much respect for those you hear that went from 250 lbs down to 220lbs.

Although I don’t think the swimsuit portion of the competition is the most important, I know the women who got to that point probably weren’t just born in shape.

I hope to hear the other side of the argument and I hope I’m not offending anyone, it’s certainly not what I’m trying to do.
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Old 07-04-2018, 07:57 PM   #52
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I hope to hear the other side of the argument and I hope Iím not offending anyone, itís certainly not what Iím trying to do.
There is no other side, other than just don't be jerks to obese people. It's not good to be obese, so much science behind that. It's just another example of how todays under educated university kids and their professors are anti science
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Old 07-05-2018, 12:20 AM   #53
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I have to disagree with the posts in this thread saying overweight contestants should now be equally allowed to be part of the pageant.

Being obese means you are at greater risk of disease and injury. Not sure any medial professional would disagree with that.

Am I wrong when I say everybody should try to have a healthy target weight? What about role models for kids?

Anyone who has lost any amount of weight or become fit knows the amount of work and focus thatís required to get to that point. Months or years at the gym, major changes to their diet.

I have much respect for those you hear that went from 250 lbs down to 220lbs.

Although I donít think the swimsuit portion of the competition is the most important, I know the women who got to that point probably werenít just born in shape.

I hope to hear the other side of the argument and I hope Iím not offending anyone, itís certainly not what Iím trying to do.
I think there are also other issues there about the difference between what's considered obese in the pageant world and what's actual unhealthy obesity. Many model, bodybuilding, actor, etc.. type bodyfat levels also have their own health issues.
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I don't think anyone is saying obese people should be part of the pagent, just rather that they're taking out the swimsuit portion and judging will no longer be looks based. I don't think they want obese contestants, but a size 8 or 10 is healthy and currently not featured in the contest.
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There have been different body types at Miss Universe. Tall and Bigger.

Miss Canada in 2016 - Top 9




Miss Croatia in 2017 - Top 16




Was especially an interesting group last year, most experts got half the top 16 wrong. It's a variety of thing the Miss Universe Org is looking for.
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Old 07-05-2018, 09:04 AM   #56
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There have been different body types at Miss Universe. Tall and Bigger.

Miss Canada in 2016 - Top 9




Miss Croatia in 2017 - Top 16




Was especially an interesting group last year, most experts got half the top 16 wrong. It's a variety of thing the Miss Universe Org is looking for.
I am sorry, I don't watch pageants, so in what world are either of those two people "bigger".
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I didn't say big, i said bigger than the typical pageant girl you see.
So it's changing because pageant fans are ruthless. Need to be more tolerant now.

Miss Canada 2016 was bigger and Miss Canada 2017 was thinner and they both placed in the top 10.

Here they are talking about it

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I didn't say big, i said bigger than the typical pageant girl you see.
So it's changing because pageant fans are ruthless. Need to be more tolerant now.

Miss Canada 2016 was bigger and Miss Canada 2017 was thinner and they both placed in the top 10.

Here they are talking about it

I said "bigger", not big.

I just can't wrap my head around pageants.
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Good, pageants are becoming more progressive. I'm sure Angela Ponce's life hasn't been easy, and it's really quite inspiring to see what she has accomplished. Congrats to her!

However, I'm wondering how the judging within the association works. What were their motivations? Was this a publicity stunt? If so, it definitely worked. We're hearing about it.
I suspect we'll continue to see a "variety" of winners in the coming days.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing - I just hope they don't forget why it's important for the winners to be good people.
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Great Britain crowns it's first ever Black winner



This Miss Universe pagaent is getting interesting with many new trends. Plus debuts from Kyrgyzstan, Armenia and Mongolia.
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